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"Old" Man From the PC Scene Got His First Amiga

Dj Up

Posts 34
30 Jan 2021 17:07


First of all I want to say hello to everyone here.
Greetings from Norway.

I have been lurking and reading a lot of interesting things in here for awhile now,and yesterday even more. The reason for that was of course the arrival of "the package" and mother of all the delayed xmas gifts for a nerd like me.

I signed up for V4 Standalone around summer/fall of 2020,and it did look like it was "in stock" at that time,so did not expect the wait,but I did not mind it at all. Some month passed by, like most of that year for most people,and then suddenly it was my turn.

It will be important to explain one thing first: I grew up knowing about C 64/128,Amiga,Mac and those,but in 1994 my dad bought a 486SX,with msDOS 6 and windows 3.1. To this very moment in time I had only tested a real Amiga one time early 90`s and then game only,and a few more times at friends in mid 90`s. Always just games. Around here everyone was on the PC-bandwagon and it was only very few that had an Amiga,and even less who used it as anything more than a system for gaming.

Long story short: I grew up with windows,but when I got my own computer I entered the world of Linux/Unix-like systems. Amiga in later years has for me been just exploring emulators and such,until last year when I bought an Amiga 1200. It came without anything except psu,mouse and a 1084S + one original game (that even require a lot more power to run than this machine got) . The only thing I`ve done with this machine is to power it on and see that it worked. I was about to order Ram-expansion and CF with OS,but realized it would be better to wait until I either can get the Standalone or the Vampire for 1200. The standalone came first,and I must say to everyone involved in this project,it is impressive.

I have no experience other than with emulation how the other "bulked up" Amiga`s back in the old days did perform,but I`m sure that this must have really made many Amiga users impressed. If I understand it correctly there is even more to come which is so awesome.

When reading the post about the great work Willem Drijver has done on a good working bootloader is also for me of course an amazing addition to this hardware. Now I really need to buy a big storage of some sorts to really try it out.

I do have a few questions I just might as well put out there right away as I have not (yet..) found an answer to it.

1. Is there any way to use SSH with any of the OS that runs on the Standalone? I guess there was some SSH-1 to some PPC Amiga`s,or something in the past.. I found something about it somewhere,but lot of post online on this was old,and even on some of them it was commented that the SSH-implementation discussed there was even at that time outdated. So I do understand that this might not even be possible. I still have to ask to see what others have experienced going down that "rabbit hole" .<< (pun intended indeed)

2. If no on question 1, is there rsh or any other way an        X11-forwarding from another computer on a local network can happen?

3. Am I right to believe there might be a working X11 to be used on this hardware?

4. I have not opened my Standalone,but I`m I right to assume there is an IDE (44?) to CF-card adapter with cf-card (of course) in there as the storage ?

5. Does anyone have experience in any IDE to ssd/m.2-sata-adapter solution in it? More because of storage space than performance of course.

Thanks in advance for reading my post,and thanks to anyone who knows a trick or two for a newbie like me. It feels great to be the noob again.

And again to everyone involved,Apollo-team: Great work!


Michal Pietal

Posts 223
30 Jan 2021 17:32



Hi there!

dj up wrote:

  1. Is there any way to use SSH with any of the OS that runs on the Standalone? I guess there was some SSH-1 to some PPC Amiga`s,or something in the past.. I found something about it somewhere,but lot of post online on this was old,and even on some of them it was commented that the SSH-implementation discussed there was even at that time outdated. So I do understand that this might not even be possible. I still have to ask to see what others have experienced going down that "rabbit hole" .<< (pun intended indeed)

I'd bet you could find SSH clients in pre-configured distros (like AmiKit or Coffin or ApollOS).

HINT:  You can have them all on a single CF card, please check for V4 BootLoader.


 
  2. If no on question 1, is there rsh or any other way an        X11-forwarding from another computer on a local network can happen?
 

See above.

  3. Am I right to believe there might be a working X11 to be used on this hardware?

X11 is on AmigaOS 4.1, via AmiCygnix.

I wouldn't expect X11 layer on AmigaOS3.x
 

  4. I have not opened my Standalone,but I`m I right to assume there is an IDE (44?) to CF-card adapter with cf-card (of course) in there as the storage ?

Exactly.


 
  5. Does anyone have experience in any IDE to ssd/m.2-sata-adapter solution in it? More because of storage space than performance of course.
 

I don't.

Cheers from Poland!


Roger Andre Lassen

Posts 139
30 Jan 2021 17:42


Hei og velkommen :-)


Scott Jacobs

Posts 12
30 Jan 2021 19:38


Actually there is an X server for OS3. 1.  I have forgotten the name but it can be easily googled.
 
It is called Xami.


Dj Up

Posts 34
30 Jan 2021 20:59


Thanks so much for the answers.

I will have a look at the BootLoader as soon as I got another storage into it as I would not do anything to the one it came with.




Dj Up

Posts 34
30 Jan 2021 21:01


Roger Andre Lassen wrote:

Hei og velkommen :-)

God kveld,og takker så mye.
 


Dj Up

Posts 34
30 Jan 2021 21:03


Scott jacobs wrote:

Actually there is an X server for OS3. 1.  I have forgotten the name but it can be easily googled.
 
  It is called Xami.

Awesome. Thanks so much. Now I will be going deep into that rabbit hole I suppose.


Kamelito Loveless

Posts 198
30 Jan 2021 21:43


Dale Luck former coder of the Amiga GFX library and also the one who convinced Jay Miner to add Line drawing to the Amiga HW founded later a company named GFXBase and he wrote an X11 client.
      X Window R4 / Motif
 
  On the left you can choose translate. 
  EXTERNAL LINK


Bartek Kuchta

Posts 37
30 Jan 2021 22:43


Hey Dj Up, aldri for sent å snu;) Great to see you in here!

Please feel invited to join our Apollo Discord server, where you can find both the latest information and the great company of fellow Amiga users:

EXTERNAL LINK 



Dj Up

Posts 34
30 Jan 2021 23:18


That`s true.

If I ever get to using Discord I will do it. I do however know that I got plans to get back on IRC again. Been a few years not using IRC.


Dj Up

Posts 34
30 Jan 2021 23:24


Kamelito Loveless wrote:

Dale Luck former coder of the Amiga GFX library and also the one who convinced Jay Miner to add Line drawing to the Amiga HW founded later a company named GFXBase and he wrote an X11 client.
      X Window R4 / Motif
 
  On the left you can choose translate. 
  EXTERNAL LINK 

Thanks for this info. This is very interesting.


Tim Waite

Posts 29
31 Jan 2021 02:30


dj up wrote:

  4. I have not opened my Standalone,but I`m I right to assume there is an IDE (44?) to CF-card adapter with cf-card (of course) in there as the storage ?
 
  5. Does anyone have experience in any IDE to ssd/m.2-sata-adapter solution in it? More because of storage space than performance of course.
 

 
  I got a 2.5 inch IDE to M.2 SATA adapter that works well.
 
  It has a M.2 NGFF SATA Based B Key SSD TO 2.5" ide 44 Pin.
 
  EXTERNAL LINK $10
 
  I installed a KingSpec m.2 120gb 2242 NGFF SSD Sata HD in the enclosure.
 
  EXTERNAL LINK $20
 
  Not a bad solution.
 
  Tim
 
 


Tim Waite

Posts 29
31 Jan 2021 02:38


dj up wrote:

      1. Is there any way to use SSH with any of the OS that runs on the Standalone? I guess there was some SSH-1 to some PPC Amiga`s,or something in the past.. I found something about it somewhere,but lot of post online on this was old,and even on some of them it was commented that the SSH-implementation discussed there was even at that time outdated. So I do understand that this might not even be possible. I still have to ask to see what others have experienced going down that "rabbit hole" .<< (pun intended indeed)
     
      2. If no on question 1, is there rsh or any other way an        X11-forwarding from another computer on a local network can happen?
     
      3. Am I right to believe there might be a working X11 to be used on this hardware?
     
   

   
    I have not tried this in a bit but for SSH look at
   
    linuxmafia.com/ssh/amiga.html EXTERNAL LINK     
    Which has a link to www.lysator.liu.se/~lilja/amigassh/
https://www.lysator.liu.se/~lilja/amigassh/
   
    For X11 take a look at aminet.net/misc/x11 EXTERNAL LINK     
   
   
   


Dj Up

Posts 34
31 Jan 2021 17:13


Tim Waite wrote:

dj up wrote:

    4. I have not opened my Standalone,but I`m I right to assume there is an IDE (44?) to CF-card adapter with cf-card (of course) in there as the storage ?
   
    5. Does anyone have experience in any IDE to ssd/m.2-sata-adapter solution in it? More because of storage space than performance of course.
 

 
  I got a 2.5 inch IDE to M.2 SATA adapter that works well.
 
  It has a M.2 NGFF SATA Based B Key SSD TO 2.5" ide 44 Pin.
 
  EXTERNAL LINK $10
 
  I installed a KingSpec m.2 120gb 2242 NGFF SSD Sata HD in the enclosure.
 
  EXTERNAL LINK $20
 
  Not a bad solution.
 
  Tim
 
 

Good evening.
Excellent! Thanks for this info,and all the links in both posts.

I think I will order your storage solution. Maybe even look for it within the borders to maybe get lucky and get it fast. + a cable, I suppose.. :)




Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5416
31 Jan 2021 20:26


dj up wrote:

I think I will order your storage solution. Maybe even look for it within the borders to maybe get lucky and get it fast. + a cable, I suppose.. :) 

 
Please double check first, how much disk space you have already in your V4!
Maybe you have already this space.


Dj Up

Posts 34
31 Jan 2021 21:54


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

dj up wrote:

  I think I will order your storage solution. Maybe even look for it within the borders to maybe get lucky and get it fast. + a cable, I suppose.. :) 
 

   
  Please double check first, how much disk space you have already in your V4!
  Maybe you have already this space.

Good evening there.
Thanks for the advice.
I had a look at my order and its 32GB. Then again, I see that it would still be enough for a V4BootLoader setup.

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