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Any Apollo Enabled Demos At This Year's Revision?page  1 2 

Markus B

Posts 100
21 Apr 2019 14:52


Are there any active coders which are using a Vampire for their demos?


Roger Andre Lassen

Posts 79
21 Apr 2019 15:40


Unknown
BUT, TBL is releasing a new demo in the AMIGA demo compo :-) Can't wait to see it.



Stefano Briccolani

Posts 332
21 Apr 2019 16:13


Woow!! Let's hope it will be rtg-friendly..so we can play a tbl demo on our beloved v2 cards..


Stefano Briccolani

Posts 332
21 Apr 2019 17:07


Wild compo is ended. No vampire entries..


Markus B

Posts 100
21 Apr 2019 17:14


Sad. I was hoping some talented group would finally make use of this nice hardware.

Did the team thought of sponsoring some coders with hardware?


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1421
21 Apr 2019 19:44


Even no Vamp demo was there, its nice to see it is accepted to Amiga category

"Entries which require Vampire/Apollo/other FPGA accelerators are accepted for the Wild Compo, and you must provide your own hardware for recording."


Roger Andre Lassen

Posts 79
21 Apr 2019 22:44


Holy shit.. Some of the demos released tonight was MINDBLOWING.


Stefano Briccolani

Posts 332
22 Apr 2019 06:36


Unbelievable..the level of the amiga competition was really high this year..some of the demos were absolutely incredible..


Mr Niding

Posts 384
24 Apr 2019 09:49


Ya, alot of amazing productions in the Amiga Demo section.

AND Spaceballs 64k intro was just sick, with unreal soundtrack and fastpaced graphics to follow.


Saladriel Amrael

Posts 115
24 Apr 2019 09:53


Roger Andre Lassen wrote:

Unknown
  BUT, TBL is releasing a new demo in the AMIGA demo compo :-) Can't wait to see it.
 

Saw TBL demo yesterday evening... that thing running on a stock A500 with 1MB Ram blew me away

Plus... the editing, music and pacing of the demo were excellent, love it


Richard Gatineau

Posts 54
24 Apr 2019 19:19


Markus B wrote:
Are there any active coders which are using a Vampire for their demos?

No, as it is not Amiga to use a FPGA to do the job and the computer to act as an I/O console. By the way, the Eon demo shown at Revision 2019 was impressive and does the show without the need to use expansions.


Roy Gillotti

Posts 350
24 Apr 2019 19:30


Richard Gatineau wrote:

 
Markus B wrote:
Are there any active coders which are using a Vampire for their demos?

    No, as it is not Amiga to use a FPGA to do the job and the computer to act as an I/O console.
 

 
  That's BS, Currently all custom chips and Chip RAM are still being used in a V2 Vampire setup. The only additions/improvements  is a fast 68k CPU with modern features, 128MB FastRAM and RTG graphics...
 


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1421
24 Apr 2019 19:31


Richard Gatineau wrote:

    No, as it is not Amiga to use a FPGA to do the job and the computer to act as an I/O console
 

 
  Same could be said for any Zorro or CPU expansion card that would take away some OCS functionality or expand on top of it. Such purism is just for those that never really expanded Amiga or tried something over unexpanded OS 3.1. Its even less for Vamp since it tends to recreate the same family CPU, RTG and even full chipset functionality. 68k CPU, last AOS 3.x standards and banging the chipset and additional software or OS layers is Amiga way.


Richard Gatineau

Posts 54
25 Apr 2019 10:52


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
Same could be said for any Zorro or CPU expansion card that would take away some OCS functionality or expand on top of it.
Examples?


Marlon Beijer

Posts 152
25 Apr 2019 14:40


Richard Gatineau wrote:

Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
Same could be said for any Zorro or CPU expansion card that would take away some OCS functionality or expand on top of it.
Examples?

060/RTG demos?

What would be so bad about a demo utilizing 080+AMMX through OCS/ECS + Paula? Then surely the machine would be used as more than just "i/o interface". It would be pretty cool to see what is possible to do with the old chipsets with the power of the Vampire


Andy Hearn

Posts 254
25 Apr 2019 14:50



Examples?

Amiga hardware at the previous best;
  Cyberstorm Mk3 or BlizzardPPC
  the ram, cpu, storage and storage controller, plus it's PCI bus controller, and associated expensions/graphics cards are all hosted on an accelerator board that you could argue, conceptually and effectively renders the amiga mainboard into a glorified I/O expansion - if you choose to run only the graphics card output.
 
  otherwise any RTG capable hardware, graphics or audio wise that redirects or ignores native amiga chipset output, out to other chips with different capabilities would be classed as such?
  Zorro graphics cards that are more than a framebuffer - capable of their own graphics drawing routines, and AHI supported audio cards?
 
  I guess you could even take AHI, with it's CPU based channel mixing routines, even just using paula as a dumb DAC for audio output could even be classed as RTG capable, and not "using" the chipset?
 
  the vampire in it's current Gold2.xx revision _is_ a direct CPU replacement, with additional fast ram, (IDE) storage controller, and an RTG capable graphics card. much like the above referenced cyberstorm/blizzard setups were. if you want to display using the original chips and graphics / audio outputs, you can. it still needs/uses the onboard chipram, and has access to the original graphics and audio capabilities of the amiga.
  It does not remove or replace the amiga chipset in anyway. untill the Gold3.xx revision core when it will incorporate the full AGA chipset into the FPGA. THEN your amiga mainboard will be a power supply and I/O expansion for serial/parallel/floppy/joystick/mouse for the vampire.
 
  anyway, that's my thoughts and understanding.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1421
25 Apr 2019 19:26


Andy Hearn wrote:

    It does not remove or replace the amiga chipset in anyway. untill the Gold3.xx revision core when it will incorporate the full AGA chipset into the FPGA. THEN your amiga mainboard will be a power supply and I/O expansion for serial/parallel/floppy/joystick/mouse for the vampire.
 

 
  +1
 
  Even with GOLD3/Standalone it will have chipset inside/m68k class non emulated CPU, so its far more "Classic Amiga" then any post CBM system or DraCo/Casablanca.
 
  It is in fact, most expanded Amiga concept.
 


Jan Vonka

Posts 60
26 Apr 2019 13:27


My demo (invitation) released at Revision should be Vampire friendly: EXTERNAL LINK


Miki Popovic

Posts 12
27 Apr 2019 00:21


Tested working..


Richard Gatineau

Posts 54
28 Apr 2019 16:50


You are confusing original extra hardware (CPU, RTG, RAM, ...) to extend the Amiga capacity as designed for this computer, with a system hack to take control of it... (like cartridge adapter to run Megadrive games on SNES, ...)

As proof, the Vampire 4 will be totally autonomous because Apollo Team has reached to redo a full computer, and best. In this way, you can have an "Amiga" by "bitting" a ST or Megadrive...

Running demo on Vampire is like runing an different system that never existed. But sure, there is no reason to not do it... Just, it is not Amiga demo.

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