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Fake News:OS4 Demanded for Vampirepage  1 2 

Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
26 Aug 2017 17:05


Based on some amiga.org user wishes, generation amiga
has published that there is existing demand, but unlikely
to happen - OS 4.1 for Vampires.
EXTERNAL LINK 
I dont see a real demand, as 4.1FE is not much more advanced
then AmiKit in my experience. There are few things that may be
backported - but critical apps and MUI, SSL are already there.

Maybe some parts of AEONs Enhancer might be usefull as new classess,
progress bar etc. but only if developers say so.

And Enhancer is "kind of" promised by AEON already.


Simo Koivukoski
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 601
26 Aug 2017 17:11


CLICK HERE


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
26 Aug 2017 17:36


Simo Koivukoski wrote:

CLICK HERE 

Famous 1st April joke. However, Vampire will create 68k market.


Tim D

Posts 9
26 Aug 2017 20:37


Generation Amiga is champion in posting wrong, very old or totally superseded news items.
 
Sort of the Amiga tabloid :) They should better rename the site to the AmigaSun :D

If you inform them about their mistakes you get banned (from Twitter), very Trump-like....
 


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
26 Aug 2017 20:47


Tim D wrote:

  If you inform them about their mistakes you get banned (from Twitter), very Trump-like....

Just did that on facebook. Man really has a superiority complex.
Best is that anyone critising must be "a Trump lover"

Man has really "style" :-)
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Vojin Vidanovic Kind of fake news. But Enhancer 68k would be nice
Like

Generation Amiga
Generation Amiga I disagree with the term 'fake news', first of all it's not news (no statements have been made), and in many Amiga groups people are wondering if it would be possible....

Vojin Vidanovic
Vojin Vidanovic Generation Amiga Just some wishes. As with Vampire Aria, please do not post about things that arent really being considered

Generation Amiga
Generation Amiga Vojin Vidanovic You thumbup you're own reactions? That's kinda lame don't you think? And you are not entitled to tell us what should be published and not.

Vojin Vidanovic Generation Amiga I am not. But publisher should have some sense of reality and not rumors.

Generation Amiga
Generation Amiga Vojin Vidanovic Sure, million of magazines and you find the time to judge Generation Amiga with political orientated slogans such as #fakenews". Trully, please dislike the magazine and go somewhere else with you're judgments, many Trump magazines out there to be judged by you. This topic is closed...


Michael Nurney

Posts 283
26 Aug 2017 21:13


I'm waiting for Windows95 Vampire edition...




Tim D

Posts 9
26 Aug 2017 21:17


Agree, if he posts opinions he should simply make that more clear and not give the intention he's posting facts.

Last week he posted about the x3500. It was announced in 2013 and canceled in 2015. And he presented it as new announcement... I pointed him to his mistake, also with the term fake news and I got banned.


Tim D

Posts 9
26 Aug 2017 21:18


Maybe we should send him some secret insight news about the new upcoming Amiga, the Walker, for his next article.


Wawa T

Posts 695
26 Aug 2017 23:19


these generation amiga exemplares are being reported first rate incompetenet and uninformed all ove the place. they are just fishing for clicks with most absurd statements. simply ignore them.


Michael Nurney

Posts 283
27 Aug 2017 11:19


im afraid thats most reporting on the web...not fact checked but posted for clicks and advertising revenue...

just ignore them.


M Rickan

Posts 177
27 Aug 2017 20:33


The reality of course is that having multiple OS options would be a good thing for all involved.

I'm surprised no one pointed out the estimate volume of Vampires that have been sold. Surely 4,000 units is way off the mark?


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
27 Aug 2017 20:41


m rickan wrote:

  I'm surprised no one pointed out the estimate volume of Vampires that have been sold. Surely 4,000 units is way off the mark?
 

 
  Ask AEON or Individual computer of sales :-) Maybe for V1, V2 and ordered but not delivered V2, which may be partially exchanged for V4, I guess.
 
  Surely, V4 will bring up numbers, esp. Standalone.
 
  Note that until this year or so,it was "handcrafted" production by two individuals, Majsta and Kipper.
 
  On multiply OSs:
 
  AmiKit X
  Vanilla OS 3.9+Vamp Tools
  AROS 68k
  ApolloOS
 
  MacOS Classic via emulation (would loved to see as minimal bootable directly distro similar to UAE packs)
  FreeMINT via TOS emulation
 
  No need for OS4, maybe just some components.


Stefan Niestegge

Posts 33
27 Aug 2017 21:53


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

  FreeMINT via TOS emulation
 
 

Not at all. EmuTOS Floppy is running native on the Amiga. After EmuTOS has been started from Floppy, the boot process of FreeMiNT follows. No Emulation ;-)

Sorry for the noise, couldn't resist.

Greets,
Stefan


Philippe Flype
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 299
27 Aug 2017 22:06


Indeed, TOS "re-implementation" fits better here.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
27 Aug 2017 23:02


Stefan Niestegge wrote:

  Not at all. EmuTOS Floppy is running native on the Amiga. After EmuTOS has been started from Floppy, the boot process of FreeMiNT follows. No Emulation ;-)
 
  Sorry for the noise, couldn't resist.
 
  Greets,
  Stefan
 

 
  No prob, since I am keen on having Calmus, Cakewalk hell, even Atomix I am interested. There might be even some office for I :-)
 
  And how do you expect to boot that floppy on future Vampire Standalone?
 
  P.S. would love to have both Mint and ClassicMac in such a direct SSD/SD Drive boot.
 


Eric Gus

Posts 477
28 Aug 2017 06:53


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

  P.S. would love to have both Mint and ClassicMac in such a direct SSD/SD Drive boot.
 

Indeed.. that would be something ..


M Rickan

Posts 177
29 Aug 2017 00:36


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

  Ask AEON or Individual computer of sales...
 
  On multiply OSs:
 
  AmiKit X
  Vanilla OS 3.9+Vamp Tools
  AROS 68k
  ApolloOS

  No need for OS4, maybe just some components.

I'm not sure that A-EON or Individual can provide much context on sales of the Vampire. If expressions of interest were less than the figure claimed, it's clear that the number claimed is dubious.

As far as operating systems are concerned, a mish-mash of 3.x variants amounts to nothing.

I'm not always the most supportive when it comes to Hyperion, but having them release 4.x for the Vampire would be beneficial on a number of levels.

In the end, it's great having hardware capable of running modern software but one part of that equation is in need of serious attention.


Sean Sk

Posts 488
29 Aug 2017 02:37


m rickan wrote:

  I'm not always the most supportive when it comes to Hyperion, but having them release 4.x for the Vampire would be beneficial on a number of levels.
 

 
  Agreed, especially for Hyperion themselves. The more choice the better for us.
 
 
m rickan wrote:

  In the end, it's great having hardware capable of running modern software but one part of that equation is in need of serious attention.
 

 
  If you mean software then yeah. There's been much discussion about this from those not interested in the Vampire about lack of developer interest. I sometimes wonder whether the problem is not so much a lack of developer interest but a lack of developers period.
 
  Most of us interested in the Amiga platform now are those that used it back in the 80's and 90's and most of the developers that were around back in that period of the Amiga have moved onto other jobs which take up most of their time. I have a friend who develops apps for Android and was a massive Amiga user back in the day. I suggested he come back to the Amiga and start developing for it. He's just simply not interested, partially because there's very little money to be made.
 
  We have a variety of Amiga based OS's to chose from but I'm not seeing a huge amount of software being developed for any of them. Yeah sure there is some, but nowhere on the scale that it needs to be.
 
  Even in this article: EXTERNAL LINK  the reviewer stated that one of the things going against the X5000 was a lack of new Amiga software.
 
  Contrary to what most Vampire haters will tell you, I don't think lack of developer support is unique to the Vampire. The Amiga platform in general needs to bring in younger talent.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
29 Aug 2017 02:58


sean sk wrote:

    Contrary to what most Vampire haters will tell you, I don't think lack of developer support is unique to the Vampire. The Amiga platform in general needs to bring in younger talent.
 

 
  Once hardware gets mature enough (this time, next year ... eh, fools and horses!) this concern, alongside "OS frozen in development hell" will come to the priority list.
 
  "Young blood" or "Viable markets" are needed.
 
  For Youngsters, there are retro maniacs, and affordable and appealling package of some future Vampire end product might bring some fresh blood.
 
  Then again some easy development tools first in place, will surely be required.
 
  Viable market - equals enough Vampires sold to create a software market (again) or at least more viable then current OS 4.x eco system. Its possible if enough people go for it with v1200 and Standalone :-) Would not guess the number, lets just started Apollo Accels buy page counts  Already 2673 vampirized* people !
 
  Solid start and progressin!

And for OS hell ... well, having ApolloOS tweaked and upgraded and AROS 68k back in development would be enough. If Vampires go high enough, who knows, maybe even more mythical OS 5.0 goes PPC/68k or just 68k? Live and see it in decade 2020-2030!
 


Kresimir Lukin

Posts 65
29 Aug 2017 03:21


Amiga can survive only open source,I will have better opinion about Hyperion if they open source 3.1
At this moment I can see future of 68k OS only in Aros
Also I like to see new version of gcc for 68k Amiga

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