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Fernando Pereira

Posts 68
27 Jul 2017 15:07


Hello everyone, I'm a returning Amiga user, back from 2000.

I just heard about the Vampire card and the upcoming Amiga 1200 Reloaded mobo and I have two questions.

1 - How fast will the 1200 Vampire model compare to the existing Vampire models?

2 - Will the Vampire be compatible with the Amiga Reloaded?

Thank you!


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
27 Jul 2017 17:33


Fernando Pereira wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm a returning Amiga user, back from 2000.
 
  I just heard about the Vampire card and the upcoming Amiga 1200 Reloaded mobo and I have two questions.
 
  1 - How fast will the 1200 Vampire model compare to the existing Vampire models?

Exact details to the V1200 will be announced in 2 weeks.

Fernando Pereira wrote:

  2 - Will the Vampire be compatible with the Amiga Reloaded?

Unlikely


Nicolas Sipieter
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Posts 115/ 1
27 Jul 2017 18:31


@Fernando
         
vampire cards do require an amiga to be plugged into.
many amiga models are compatible with vampire cards.
so far: a1000, a2000, a500, a600, cdtv, then a1200
(vampire for a3000 and a4000 should come later on.)
         
apollo-team will also create a standalone computer.
it's stated on their roadmap.
the standalone will not be a vampire accelerator card.
this computer will Not require an amiga to be plugged into.
as the name imply, you will be able to use it on its own.
it will be like a new amiga model,
running apollo core, featuring saga (enhanced / super aga) and will be compatible with all amiga software, be it for ECS, AGA or RTG.
         
the "1200 reloaded" on the other hand is made by another company that might choose to make things different from original amiga models.
compatibility with existing amiga accelerators (including vampires) depends on them.
this is not a question that can be answered by vampire/apollo-team.
         
so you have 3 options:
- use an original amiga model with a vampire card, right now.
- use the standalone computer when it gets out.
- wait for "1200 reloaded" to be released and see if it will be
  compatible or not. (i wouldn't hold my breath on this one,
  and bet it will be ok, especialy since Gunnar said
  compatibility is unlikely.)
         
         


Djole Djole

Posts 35
27 Jul 2017 23:36


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Fernando Pereira wrote:

  Hello everyone, I'm a returning Amiga user, back from 2000.
 
  I just heard about the Vampire card and the upcoming Amiga 1200 Reloaded mobo and I have two questions.
 
  1 - How fast will the 1200 Vampire model compare to the existing Vampire models?
 

  Exact details to the V1200 will be announced in 2 weeks.
 
 
Fernando Pereira wrote:

  2 - Will the Vampire be compatible with the Amiga Reloaded?
 

  Unlikely

 

Good one.... 2 more weeks....


Michael R

Posts 281
27 Jul 2017 23:57


I will be waiting eagerly for the exact details for the 1200 card. Thanks!


Nick Fellows

Posts 176
28 Jul 2017 11:05


"wait for "1200 reloaded" to be released and see if it will be
  compatible or not. (i wouldn't hold my breath on this one,
  and bet it will be ok, especialy since Gunnar said
  compatibility is unlikely.)"

Given vampire standalone might be a thing ,  perhaps theres no point in planning on getting an A1200 reloaded, perhaps the standalone version might negate the reason to get a reloaded board. Unless the standalone version does not support the same ports / expansions. In which case there is a dilemma.



Fernando Pereira

Posts 68
28 Jul 2017 11:19


Thank you so much for your answers!
 
I wasn't aware of the standalone version, it just went to my number 1 priority. By standalone, are we talking about just a motherboard or a full A1200 in a case? I would love so much buying a new full Amiga 1200.

By the way, where can I read more about Super AGA?


Eric Gus

Posts 477
28 Jul 2017 20:58


Fernando Pereira wrote:

Thank you so much for your answers!
   
  I wasn't aware of the standalone version, it just went to my number 1 priority. By standalone, are we talking about just a motherboard or a full A1200 in a case? I would love so much buying a new full Amiga 1200.
 
  By the way, where can I read more about Super AGA?

As we understand it its not a drop-in motherboard for your A1200 case but a small square board .. AFAIK it does not have "legacy" connectors on it .. eg disk, parallel, serial etc.. so if those things are important to you, then the A1200 vampire is probably a better option.. {this is just based on whats been said over the past few months in the forums.. of course once both are announced we will all know better what each offers)



Roy Gillotti

Posts 517
28 Jul 2017 22:53


eric gus wrote:

 
Fernando Pereira wrote:

  Thank you so much for your answers!
     
    I wasn't aware of the standalone version, it just went to my number 1 priority. By standalone, are we talking about just a motherboard or a full A1200 in a case? I would love so much buying a new full Amiga 1200.
   
    By the way, where can I read more about Super AGA?
 

 
  As we understand it its not a drop-in motherboard for your A1200 case but a small square board .. AFAIK it does not have "legacy" connectors on it .. eg disk, parallel, serial etc.. so if those things are important to you, then the A1200 vampire is probably a better option.. {this is just based on whats been said over the past few months in the forums.. of course once both are announced we will all know better what each offers)
 
 

 
  This is what I saw posted on IRC by Gunnar a few months ago:
 
  <BigGun> size 120x100 mm
  <BigGun> 2 x db9
  <BigGun> 2 x USB
  <BigGun> 1 Ethernet
  <BigGun> 1x SDcard
  <BigGun> 2 x IDE
  <BigGun> DIGITAL-VIDEO
  <BigGun> 3 x expansion port

Outside of that not much else is known.


Nicolas Sipieter
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Posts 115/ 1
29 Jul 2017 06:10


@Fernando

"standalone version, it just went to my number 1 priority."

same here.
from what we heard so far, the standalone should become available around the same time as vampire 1200. Gunnar said it is done and already in the hands of beta-testeting team. (so hopefully soon ready for public consumption).

concerning SAGA, you can read about it on apollo wiki:
EXTERNAL LINK 
some of the advantages of SAGA:
it's a reimplementation of ECS and AGA chipset in FPGA,
so it allow you to run AGA software on an ECS machine (yes, really :)
it also improve and enhance over original ECS and AGA features,
gives 16bit sound, 24bit screens, support for onboard sd-card,
and a lot of other nice improvements.



Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
29 Jul 2017 12:22


If you want to play games such as this,
EXTERNAL LINK  using GENUINE AMIGA OS (ver. 1.0 thru 3.9), get a Vampire.

If you want even better games get the standalone Vampire (it has no official name yet). (Here's a well known secret, the standalone is faster than any other Vampire that will be available!!!)

It will have 512 megs, or possibly, (we're ALL hoping) 1 gigabyte of RAM!!!!

It is going to have no chance of the original motherboard holding it back, speed wise, only lacking some connectors and the expansion cards bus.

I predict that Vampire will be the most used Amiga of any one model by the end of next year, and of all Amigas combined, the year after that!


Fernando Pereira

Posts 68
29 Jul 2017 13:40


These are great news!

But will the standalone Vampire come in its own case? I'm really interested in retaining the A1200 look. I know I can get the new Kickstart cases but they don't include keyboard... :(


Roy Gillotti

Posts 517
29 Jul 2017 13:52


Fernando Pereira wrote:

  These are great news!
 
  But will the standalone Vampire come in its own case? I'm really interested in retaining the A1200 look. I know I can get the new Kickstart cases but they don't include keyboard... :(
 

 
  I'm assuming it will just be a PCB with no casing or it will have a very minimal case kind of like what the MIST has.


M Rickan

Posts 177
29 Jul 2017 16:27


Thierry Atheist wrote:

(Here's a well known secret, the standalone is faster than any other Vampire that will be available!!!)
 
  It will have 512 megs, or possibly, (we're ALL hoping) 1 gigabyte of RAM!!!!

I'm not sure that I would raise those expectations.

Elsewhere there have been comments that suggest that the first standalone will be comparable to current Vampire.


Nicolas Sipieter
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Posts 115/ 1
29 Jul 2017 17:03


@Thierry
 
the amount of ram, and the cpu speed etc.. are not publicly known yet.
you're just speculating. you should stick to confirmed infos only.
 
and yes, as Rickan said, the standalone perfs being roughly the same as vampire is what i remember hearing too.

 
 


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
29 Jul 2017 21:50


nicolas sipieter wrote:

    @Thierr
    and yes, as Rickan said, the standalone perfs being roughly the same as vampire is what i remember hearing too.
   

   
    Last recorded mention I believe was equal to V1200,
    which again (as well as standalone) is based on bigger FPGA (possibly some higher frequency space)
    and can host more RAM. This might however mostly mean exact
    SAGA and 080 overall features, so in these terms also
    all V2+ Vampires are and will be equal so far.
   
    I suppose, in time of V1200 release, that should be about the specs.
   
    Expansion ports and size are already listed, so it in that area it can be compared to other FPGA boards. I would prefer to see how fast  SD Card,IDE and USB transfers will be on new FPGA and on slightly higher freq CPU, when possible.
 
  We ll see about the case, I am thinking of Lorianos A500 look.
  Even I had an A1200, i find A500 East European Classic and most used Amiga for massess look :-)
   


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
30 Jul 2017 10:09


nicolas sipieter wrote:

@Thierry

the amount of ram, and the cpu speed etc.. are not publicly known yet.
you're just speculating. you should stick to confirmed infos only.

and yes, as Rickan said, the standalone perfs being roughly the same as vampire is what i remember hearing too.


To M Rikan and nicolas sipieter,

I'm sorry to inform you, but I am correct.

Gunnar himself said that the Arria 10 that they will use on the standalone is 2 to 3 times faster than the one they are currently using... He said 2 to 3 times, and I am guessing that some commands might operate at twice the speed and some close to 3 times as fast, a mix of increase over the current FPGA.

Meanwhile on the RAM front, it will AT LEAST have 512 megabytes, I've read that here as well.

They have toyed with us, saying MAYBE 1 gigabyte.... they still aren't saying.

I am 100% accurate.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
30 Jul 2017 10:12


If the standalone only has 128 megs of RAM.... That's a JOKE!

I won't be buying one.


Gregthe Canuck

Posts 274
30 Jul 2017 10:21


Thierry -

The standalone will not use an Arria 10! How did you get that impression? Those chips are expensive - $400 and up.

The current "expectation" is the stand-alone will use a Cyclone V (a step up from the Cyclone III on current Vampires) and have somewhere around 256 to 512MB RAM. No guarantee on this as everything is subject to change, etc... 




Nicolas Sipieter
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Posts 115/ 1
30 Jul 2017 12:06


@thierry,
 
  looking at your post history and the way you speak, using a lot of exclamation mark, capital letters,  asserting things you don't have much clues about as if you were certain of it and lots of other little details,
  i'd say you should lay off caffeine a bit, and take time to think a bit longer before expressing your opinions.
  about you being 100% accurate i would say it's more along the line of 30% of accuracy.
  i'm not attacking you by the way. it's ok, everyone can speak his mind, i'm not moderator here. and even if i was i would not censure you as long as everyone stay polite it's fine.
  my only concern is about not spreading unconfirmed informations.
  we all have to wait until Gunnar reveal the complete specs of V1200 and standalone to the public. so far we only know bits of specs and amount of ram is not known yet. we're all waiting to know.
 

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