Overview Features Coding ApolloOS Performance Forum Downloads Products Order Contact

Welcome to the Apollo Forum

This forum is for people interested in the APOLLO CPU.
Please read the forum usage manual.
Please visit our Apollo-Discord Server for support.



All TopicsNewsPerformanceGamesDemosApolloVampireAROSWorkbenchATARIReleases
Documentation about the Vampire hardware

Deleted Topic About V4 and 1080p

Edvin AWalter

Posts 29
27 Aug 2021 08:56


Yesterday I created a topic about V4 and 1080p at 50-60Hz.

I was asking if there is a plan to support it or not? If not, next question was if A1200 V4 will support Mediator, because I can reach that resolution that way.

Topic was deleted.

Seems Apollo Team is deleting topics which they do not want to answer or topics which may affect their sales. So now, you can ban me from this forum also.

Good luck.


Robo Kupka

Posts 50
27 Aug 2021 09:17


Your questions had been answered here or on DISCORD zillion times before. It is completely understandable that Apollo team deleted your topic coz it´s rather annoying to answer the same question over and over again. Just to refresh your memory, you already got your answers:
EXTERNAL LINK 
    V4´s design allows 1080p only at about 24 Hz, it does not have enough bus bandwidth to support 50/60Hz@1080p. It´s a design decision, not a flaw. All features and specs are clearly communicated on the product pages.... "32-Bit Digital output from RTG and SAGA. You can now plug in your new shiny LCD screen up to 720p."
   
  EDIT: regarding Mediator.... use SEARCH bar, you'll get your answers, again, it was discussed many times before.
   


Manfred Bergmann

Posts 226
27 Aug 2021 09:55


I think just deleting a topic is not gentleman like (to put it positive).
It should be possible to say: "Please search the history, this question has been answered many times".


Nick Fellows

Posts 176
27 Aug 2021 10:50


The team are to be commended for all their work but they need someone in charge of social media / forums communication and community building. Sometimes people come off gruff, dismissive even silencing discussion.

When actually we should be fostering ideas and encouraging discourse. Apollo want to build hardware that people desire then they need to listen to the community and engage with them. Many of us are Amiga old timers that want this hardware for different reasons.

For example : Im desperate for a 16bit sound card for my 1200 - this feature has been dropped from the V2 board and that is a huge dissappointment for me. I only found out when they announced the V4 board, only a short time after receiving my V2. I've noticed there is new software being developed for the vampire cards
but they also are focussed on the V4 hardware. What is the "Target" platform ? I dont know anymore.

There is a gaping hole in the market for this - 16 bit clockport sound cards are impossible to find. Its possible to get USB ones that work with subway but thats a heck of an expensive way to interface a peripheral thats 10 times cheaper than the USB interface. In fact the only clockport hardware one can find are clockport expanders. What people plug into these things is a mystery to me.

Nobody has picked up on this yet and yet basic 16bit audio playback must be a pretty trivial thing to engineer. Reluctant to upgrade to V4 until im a bit more confident and we see the Apollo team doing better community building and support.

Grumps aside I again commend the Apollo team for their work on AROS and GCC - its clear that kind of work will keep the spirit of amiga alive, because openness is the best way to preserve and be resilient should support end or vendors go bust.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
27 Aug 2021 12:29


You have asked the same question several times already
You already got several times the answer.




Nick Fellows

Posts 176
27 Aug 2021 12:33


If the question is being asked several times - presumably you have added it to a "Frequently Asked Questions" page somewhere. If not perhaps it would be a good idea.

Please could you provide us with a link ?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
27 Aug 2021 12:34


nick fellows wrote:

If the question is being asked several times

 
He personally did ask the same question several times.
After how many times asking the same question, does it make sense to remove duplicates?
 


Nick Fellows

Posts 176
27 Aug 2021 12:34


onlookers are still clueless as to what the response was.


Kenji Irie

Posts 86
27 Aug 2021 12:44


nick fellows wrote:

The team are to be commended for all their work but they need someone in charge of social media / forums communication and community building. Sometimes people come off gruff, dismissive even silencing discussion.

I just want to clarify and respond to one point, to remind users of this board.

The vast majority of the Team are a group of volunteers, donating their time and expertise to the reviving of Amiga. Including areas of hardware, firmware, software, OS building, design, documentation, graphics, driver development, support, testing and debugging. We each do our best where we can, but if there is a professional communications manager willing to donate an hour or two a day to spend going through message boards and social media responding on behalf of the Team, it would surely be greatly appreciated!




Manfred Bergmann

Posts 226
27 Aug 2021 13:08


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

nick fellows wrote:

  If the question is being asked several times
 

 
  He personally did ask the same question several times.
  After how many times asking the same question, does it make sense to remove duplicates?
 

Never.
From an effort perspective I guess it's kind of equal to respond with a standard response ("use the search") than to delete the message and have a followup like this.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
27 Aug 2021 13:50


Manfred Bergmann wrote:

   
Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

   
nick fellows wrote:

      If the question is being asked several times
     

     
      He personally did ask the same question several times.
      After how many times asking the same question, does it make sense to remove duplicates?
     
   

    Never.
    From an effort perspective I guess it's kind of equal to respond with a standard response ("use the search") than to delete the message and have a followup like this.
   

   
We not speak about a person asking a question which other people ask 3 times before.
   
We talk about a case were the same person does ask the same question several times in a row.
Got several times an answer and then ask again! 

   


Nick Fellows

Posts 176
27 Aug 2021 14:12


Ok, lets fix that then shall we.

Is there a plan for V4 to support 1080p at 50-60Hz.



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
27 Aug 2021 14:17


The specifications of the V4 are listed where the V4 is also sold.
  Please read the specifications:
  EXTERNAL LINK   
 
 
  Here is the list of supported Video modes and resolutions,
  as also written in our documentation:
 
  GFXMODE
          16bit register selecting the screen size and the pixelformat for the Chunky plane.
           
 
 
        +-------+----------+-------------------------------------------+
            | BIT#  | FUNCTION | DESCRIPTION                            |
            +-------+----------+-----------------------------------------+
            | 15.08 | Resolution  | $00                                  |
            |      |              $01 = 320x200                        |
            |      |              $02 = 320x240                        |
            |      |              $03 = 320x256                        |
            |      |              $04 = 640x400                        |
            |      |              $05 = 640x480                        |
            |      |              $06 = 640x512                        |
            |      |              $07 = 960x540                        |
            |      |              $08 = 480x270                        |
            |      |              $09 = 304x224                        |
            |      |              $0A = 1280x720                      |
            |      |              $0B = 640x360                        |
            |      |              $0C = 800x600                        |
            |      |              $0D = 1024x768                      |
            |      |              $0E = 720x576                        |
            |      |              $0F = 848x480                        |
            |      |              $10 = 640x200                        |
            +-------+----------+-----------------------------------------+
            | 07.00 | Pixelformat | $00                                  |
            |      |              $01 = 8bit (indexed)                |
            |      |              $02 = 16bit R5G6B5                  |
            |      |              $03 = 15bit 1R5G5B5                  |
            |      |              $04 = 24bit R8G8B8                  |
            |      |              $05 = 32bit A8R8G8B8                |
            |      |              $06 = YUV                            |
            |      |              $07 =                                |
            |      |              $08 = PLANAR 1BIT                    |
            |      |              $09 = PLANAR 2BIT                    |
            |      |              $0A = PLANAR 4BIT                    |
            +-------+----------+-----------------------------------------+
 
 

1080@60Hz was never planned and will never come to any V2 or V4.
1080@30Hz can today be selected/used on V2,
it maybe might be enabled on V4 in the future, but is not in plan currently.


Manfred Bergmann

Posts 226
27 Aug 2021 14:28


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Manfred Bergmann wrote:

   
Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

     
nick fellows wrote:

      If the question is being asked several times
     

       
      He personally did ask the same question several times.
      After how many times asking the same question, does it make sense to remove duplicates?
       
     

      Never.
      From an effort perspective I guess it's kind of equal to respond with a standard response ("use the search") than to delete the message and have a followup like this.
   

   
  We not speak about a person asking a question which other people ask 3 times before.
   
  We talk about a case were the same person does ask the same question several times in a row.
  Got several times an answer and then ask again! 
   

No question this can be extremely annoying.


Edvin AWalter

Posts 29
27 Aug 2021 21:53


Robo Kupka, Gunnar von Boehn I'm owner of A1200 V2 card and I know this card limitations, because Gunnar von Boehn answered my questions. Previously I was asking about 1080p on V2 and Mediator support. It was clear that V2 1080p works @30Hz and has no Mediator support.

Yesterday I was asking about A1200 V4 and 1080p support @60Hz possibilities and if not supported, maybe you have Mediator support in plans. As long as V2 development is dropped and there will be new V4 card for A1200 I though it would be OK to ask again. Even topic name was "A1200 V4 and 1080p".

I was not expecting 1080p @60Hz due to bandwith limitations, but Mediator support would solve my case, as I need 1080p resolution for code development. As Robo Kupka says 720p can be used - it is too small for me.

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

You have asked the same question several times already
  You already got several times the answer.
 




Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
28 Aug 2021 08:02


Edvin AWalter wrote:

I need 1080p resolution for code development.

Hi Edvin,

can you help me understand your setup.
What type of code development are you doing?
What language do you write?
What tools do you use for this?

Cheers
Gunnar



Edvin AWalter

Posts 29
28 Aug 2021 12:27


Hello, Gunnar,

I own GPS tracking company with my own GPS tracking software, it is known world wide service. There is TCP/UDP socket listener which accepts data from GPS tracking devices, parses it and writes into database(s). At this moment we support more than 750 various GPS devices. Second part of software shows results in web browser on the map using Leaflet API and generates various reports, events and lots of other things. We offer white label service. Lately we even adjusted that it can run on AOS 4.1 Odyssey web browser, we have two X5000 for that (still that is just for me and love to Amiga, as I doubt anyone from Amiga community is using this).

Now my intention is to develop TCP/UDP socket listener for 68K Amigas, implement several popular GPS devices protocols, to receive and parse data, then using OSM maps to show results in Workbench window, in Mapparium for MUI way. Regular 060 is a bit to slow for OSM maps, but Vampire will be usable.

I will be using Roadshow SDK and VBCC for parser development. Why do I need 1080p? Simply because I want to see .NET C# source codes of previously written GPS device protocols on one side and develop on another side of screen in C.

Yes, I can use WinUAE. But there is no fun in that.

Thank you

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Edvin AWalter wrote:

  I need 1080p resolution for code development.
 

 
  Hi Edvin,
 
  can you help me understand your setup.
  What type of code development are you doing?
  What language do you write?
  What tools do you use for this?
 
  Cheers
  Gunnar
 




Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
28 Aug 2021 15:56


Edvin AWalter wrote:

Why do I need 1080p? Simply because I want to see .NET C# source codes of previously written GPS device protocols on one side and develop on another side of screen in C.

 
Hi Edvin,
 
Many thanks for explaining.
If I understand you correctly then you want just bigger screen for more text.
 
Did you try out/ test/ use the FullHD mode of your V1200?
 


Manfred Bergmann

Posts 226
28 Aug 2021 17:07


1280x720x16 (on a 16x9 display) should be no problem at all.

posts 19