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What the Heck Is Kraken?page  1 2 

Björn 1200

Posts 19
14 Jul 2021 19:16


Just wondering, when I open EXTERNAL LINK there is a product ready for pre-order called "Kraken". Never seen any info about.
Is it a further new planned hellmachine? :-) Dear ApolloTeam, do you wanna share some infos about?


Bartek Kuchta

Posts 41
14 Jul 2021 20:20


Hi Bjorn,

Thanks for spotting this! I was doing the website update and this definitively should not be listed there yet :O

At the moment the only cards we announced are for A500/1000/2000 and A1200, not the A4000 card. They will kill me!

Thanks!!




Björn 1200

Posts 19
14 Jul 2021 21:26


Hi Bartek,

no matter - you're welcome. So I'll keep my mouth closed ;-)
Cheers mate


Mike Brantley

Posts 36
16 Jul 2021 13:01


Bartek Kuchta wrote:

They will kill me!

Bartek, I hope they let you live! Haha.

In all seriousness, I like these product names including the unannounced Kraken. ;) My hopes are that perhaps this one also might work inside my beloved Amiga 3000. It has the same CPU accelerator connector as the 4000, although space inside the machine is not quite the same and would have to be taken into consideration.



Piyush Khengar

Posts 3
24 Jul 2021 20:28


+1

I really hope they don't kill you, Bartek!

I've been checking in on these forums every now and then to see what's going on. But, I only created an account now because of the mention of an A4000 card. Now you've got me salivating for one of these!

I have a Vampire 600 v2, but sadly my A600 died shortly after I bought that. Since then, I've been holding out for a card to either put into my A4000, or to add to my brand new AA3000+ that Hese from Amibay is building for me.

Of course, I can't expect you guys (who I consider to be heroes) to support such exotic systems, but I'm hopeful that it'll just work because it's basically an A4000.

Thank you for all your hard work. You guys are absolute stars!


Robert Pulfer-Ridings

Posts 56
27 Jul 2021 02:26


That AA3000+ is so beautiful. *sigh* Always wanted an A3000.


Darren Eveland

Posts 55
27 Jul 2021 21:02


Piyush Khengar wrote:

  Of course, I can't expect you guys (who I consider to be heroes) to support such exotic systems, but I'm hopeful that it'll just work because it's basically an A4000.
 
  Thank you for all your hard work. You guys are absolute stars!

There are some things to watch out for with the SuperDMAC chip in the A3000/AA3000+, but otherwise it's essentially an A3000 with AGA+DSP.  So if the Apollo team makes their Kraken compatible to the A3000 then it should work on the AA3000+.  I hope they do.

Release the Kraken!!!! (sorry just had to say it :)

By the way, we've come quite far getting the DSP to work, check out the DSP thread on a1k.org.  Really amazing stuff.  (I have two AA3000+'s both with working DSP!) Amazing system and if it had come out at the time...if they had also put the DSP on the A1200 it would have been awesome.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5581
27 Jul 2021 22:44


Darren Eveland wrote:

if they had also put the DSP on ...

Yes the DSP was an interesting option at their time..
But of course the coding added some complexity.

Today the AMMX of the 68080 is of course _much_ faster than the DSP
was. And the coding is much simpler from the 68080 CPU.


Darren Eveland

Posts 55
28 Jul 2021 14:23


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Darren Eveland wrote:

  if they had also put the DSP on ...
 

 
  Yes the DSP was an interesting option at their time..
  But of course the coding added some complexity.
 
  Today the AMMX of the 68080 is of course _much_ faster than the DSP
  was. And the coding is much simpler from the 68080 CPU.

Yes you are right.  Even the 060 FPU can rival the 3210 DSP.  But against a 030/882 which was in the A3000 at the time it absolutely blew it away. 040 was just becoming available at the time, so most people still had 68000, 020, or 030 cpus.




Nadyr Nick

Posts 37
30 Oct 2021 22:34


news about Kraken cards for A4000 ? I'm interested in two ones


Cyprian K

Posts 16
31 Oct 2021 02:16


Darren Eveland wrote:

 
Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
Darren Eveland wrote:

    if they had also put the DSP on ...
   

   
    Yes the DSP was an interesting option at their time..
    But of course the coding added some complexity.
   
    Today the AMMX of the 68080 is of course _much_ faster than the DSP
    was. And the coding is much simpler from the 68080 CPU.
 

 
  Yes you are right.  Even the 060 FPU can rival the 3210 DSP.  But against a 030/882 which was in the A3000 at the time it absolutely blew it away. 040 was just becoming available at the time, so most people still had 68000, 020, or 030 cpus.
 

  well,
  DSP56000 does multiply and add instruction (24x24+56 --> 56bit register) in 2 cycles vs 5 cycles for Fmul in 68060. It means 32MHz DSP (AT&T32000 or MC 56000) can beats 50Mhz 68060.

There are other interesting DSP features like "fast interrupts" or multiple instructions in one cycle.
But IMO the main DSP feature is circular buffer (used for audio/signal filtering), where one DSP56000 instruction have to be replaced by many 68000/68080 instructions.
 
 
 


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5581
31 Oct 2021 16:58


Cyprian K wrote:

it means 32MHz DSP (AT&T32000 or MC 56000) can beats 50Mhz 68060.

Have you coded the 56K yourself?
Or are you doing "handbook" comaprisons?

I think doing handbook comparison is _very_ difficult,
to quickly you can misread some numbers and this can results in totally crazy misinterpretations.


Nadyr Nick

Posts 37
01 Nov 2021 10:08


Gunnar von Boehn,
news about Kraken cards for A4000 ? I'm interested in two ones
answer please, thank you



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5581
01 Nov 2021 10:10


nadyr nick wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn,
  news about Kraken cards for A4000 ? I'm interested in two ones
  answer please, thank you
 

Yes the Kraken is planned for A3000/A4000

Our cards are like this

V4-VAMPIRE Standalone                (on stock)
V4-Firebird = A500/A2000/A1000      (on stock)
V4-Icedrake = A1200                  (in development)
V4-Salamander = A600                (planned)
V4-Thunderbird = CD32                (planned)
V4-Kraken = A3000/4000              (planned)



Nadyr Nick

Posts 37
02 Nov 2021 23:01


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
  Yes the Kraken is planned for A3000/A4000
 
  V4-Kraken = A3000/4000              (planned)
 

thanks Gunnar
what is your forecast as to how long it will take to buy these cards?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5581
02 Nov 2021 23:50


nadyr nick wrote:

  what is your forecast as to how long it will take to buy these cards?
 

The Standalone and the Firebird now
The others next year.


Amiga 4Life

Posts 92
03 Nov 2021 10:02


Thank you...


Cyprian K

Posts 16
07 Nov 2021 23:26


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  Have you coded the 56K yourself?
  Or are you doing "handbook" comaprisons?

I have practical (not professional, just a hobby) coding experience with 56k.

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  I think doing handbook comparison is _very_ difficult,
  to quickly you can misread some numbers and this can results in totally crazy misinterpretations.

true.
obviously 68080 is superior to any DSP from '90, but IMO in some aspects DSP still can be interesting for a coder.

Anyway, I would like to avoid stealing this thread, therefore I will post my thoughts in the thread "Idea - a New Instructions for Audio Processing"


Nadyr Nick

Posts 37
09 Nov 2021 23:48


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  The Standalone and the Firebird now
  The others next year.
 

 
  I can not wait !
 
  the V4-Kraken = A3000 / 4000 will have the exact same characteristics of the V4-Firebird or for these top big boxes amiga are you going to add more like an even better FPGA, graphic SAGA resolution, sata controller onboard ...?
 
  But above all in which quarter of 2022 do you think we will be able to buy this new V4-Kraken for our A4000 / 3000 big boxes ?! your optimistic forecast, so I start saving the two cards for myself, thank you


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5581
10 Nov 2021 09:49


nadyr nick wrote:

the V4-Kraken = A3000 / 4000 will have the exact same characteristics of the V4-Firebird

Yes exactly.
Our goal is to offer the same platform for _ALL_ Amigas.
Giving you the same performance and features on all systems.
We plan for Q3/2022



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