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Dj Up

Posts 34
31 Mar 2021 23:42


Good evening all.

So after finally getting to try Coffin OS and Aros Vision on the V4 I got a tons of questions. Some are actually more related to Amiga in general I suppose, but I`ll start out with the ones related to the Standalone.

As I did not buy the V4 for gaming,but rather to see the different OS in a sorta daily use (not web-browsing/yt/etc,but chatting/tinkering/music-creation),which OS is the one others that are not mainly using the Vampire for games most happy with? I have yet to decide if I should buy the Amikit for Vampire. I have the "Linux" version of Amikit,but it runs WinUAE within Wine and to be honest that is one layer to much of software emulation to decide if its a good product or not. The price for a Vampire-version is not that crazy though,but I feel I`d like the inputs from the community before I buy it.

I find that Coffin OS so far crash more often than Apollo OS,but I would not be shocked if this is because I`m just new to Amiga in general.
Question 1:

Roadshow.

During my turbo-install on UAE I did not add anything like roadshow or DX(?something) as I had no idea if that is needed,or exactly what it is needed for,or who is it needed for. On my test run of Coffin within UAE I never had much issues as far as I remember, but when I got it running on the V4 and choose not to use Roadshow, (because I knew I did not add the files in my turbo-install V4BL-setup)but Coffin boots with no net,and the only way I get it online is to go to dropdown menu on Roadshow > Remove device (or something) and then I also choose "network > online" then its online.. Since this is my first extended Amiga usage I have little experience with most of these things.
If I understand correctly roadshow is an IP-stack of sorts (?),but since I never needed it (yet) in Apollo OS or even on my trials in UAE with Coffin OS I wonder when is it needed and for whom?
What is the difference with the net that just works in Apollo OS and if I used Roadshow?

Question 2.
Kickstarts..

From those with life-time experience with Amiga and lot more experience with the V4 than me,what Kickstarts do perform the best with each of the OS`s available ? Since I have a few different one to choose from and I noticed when playing around in UAE that Coffin OS booted way faster with one over the other (the one Coffin OS came bundled with was slower if I remember correct) it would be nice to know your opinions on this.

Question 3.
Amiga original OS.

I have no experience from past with this either of course,and I`m even a bit confused to the version number system. Did I understand it correctly that Amiga OS 3.1.4 is the most recent one for the mk68 ? I have not yet tried this on the Vampire,but if there is reasons to have it I would install it too.

Question 4.

For those that maybe have all OS`s (or several) added to the V4BL is the reason for this compatibility issues?

Since this is a whole new tread anyway,I would leave it with these questions for the opening,but I do have more to come. I normally go searching web/forums and so on before making new posts,but I found it a bit head scratching to do when it comes to Amiga as the whole community seems divided into so many groups and camps that its a mess,and my questions fits best on this forum anyway since the hardware I use is the V4.

If you read this far,thank you so much.

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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5240
01 Apr 2021 10:31


Amiga OS development tree
 

    1.1
      1.2
      1.3
   
    2.0
      2.1
   
    3.0
      3.1
        3.1.4 
      3.5
        3.9
   
    ApolloOS
 

   
 
In my opinion the best is or will be ApolloOS.
Its the newest development and has the most modern features build in right from the start, including RTG, network, USB and other modern stuff.
 
If you look back in history than based on OS 3.0 came OS 3.1. then improved in this came OS 3.5 and improved on this came OS 3.9.
OS 3.1.4 is not based on OS 3.9 but is a based on older OS 3.1
 
 
 
   


Willem Drijver
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 95
01 Apr 2021 17:13


Q1. Roadshow is a TCP/IP stack for Amiga OS, like AmiTCP and MiamiDX. Apollo OS which is AROS based has an integrated TCP/IP stack. Roadshow is active commercial product which can be licensed. Vampire BootLoader (VBL) and Coffin offer demo-version of Roadshow which will stop after 30 minutes. MiamiDX was a commercial product, but is discontinued and thus considered abandonware. VBL installs MiamiDX by default on Amiga OS, like Coffin, AmiKIt, OS 3.1, 3.9 etc.

Q2. Amiga OS 3.1 and 3.9 need Kickstart40068.A1200. Amiga OS 3.1.4.1 comes with it's own Kick.A1200.46.143. Coffin has it;'s own version of the 3.x Rom called Coffin.rom. Vampire BootLoader (VBL) takes care of the correct mapping of the kickstarts ROMs.

Q3. Gunnar answered this one. Short answer: For Amiga OS "classic" experience go for Coffin R58 and for Amiga OS "future" experience go for ApolloIOS. Enjoy both with VBL :-).

Q4. The reason for Vampire BootLoader (VBL) to exists is that with 30+ years history there are different user-experiences. With VBL users can re-live their first experience with Amiga OS 1.3, 3.1 and 3.9. But also experience the "fully loaded" Coffin. At the other end you have the very exciting new developments on ApolloOS, which completely redefines the Amiga of the FUTURE whilst still being a 100% Amiga in both hard- and software.

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Dj Up

Posts 34
04 Apr 2021 18:26


Thanks so much for the reply Gunnar and Willem.

I was not far off then, on what Roadshow is.
However,when is it needed since as example Apollo does not require it to get online? Does roadshow come with more stability,features or is it more a case of compatibility towards some of the OS`s ?

Willem, with your answer to Q2 I now realize a few things I had mixed up. Thanks. 




Willem Drijver
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 95
05 Apr 2021 11:49


ApolloOS has built-in and stable TCP/IP support, so there is no need for 3rd party solution like Roadshow or MiamiDX. Installing these 3rd party solutions will even break your ApolloOS!

For Amiga OS based setups like like OS 3.1, 3.9, 3.1.4.1, Coffin, AmikIt, etc. you will need a third party solution and in general Roadshow is considered to be the fastest, most stable and feature rich solution, but you will have to buy a license because it is actively developed still.



Dj Up

Posts 34
06 Apr 2021 14:51


Willem Drijver wrote:

ApolloOS has built-in and stable TCP/IP support, so there is no need for 3rd party solution like Roadshow or MiamiDX. Installing these 3rd party solutions will even break your ApolloOS!
 
  For Amiga OS based setups like like OS 3.1, 3.9, 3.1.4.1, Coffin, AmikIt, etc. you will need a third party solution and in general Roadshow is considered to be the fastest, most stable and feature rich solution, but you will have to buy a license because it is actively developed still.
 

Aha. I see.
Thanks Willem.


Michal Pietal

Posts 217
07 Apr 2021 11:23


There's still one predefined OS which is comparable to the Coffin, but not fully supported on V4 (anymore).  It's the AmiKit XE.

It is hard to install it as the main boot but if You use Willem's VBL, this should be no problem.

That's quite a good alternative (and can ba used in parallel, thanks to the aforementioned VBL), which is all the more 100% legal in terms of software copyright.

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