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Elite Frontier - WHDLoad

Oscar Meza

Posts 10
12 Dec 2020 05:52


Has anyone gotten any luck making Elite Frontier II to work in ApolloOS, using the whdload file downloaded from whdownload?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
12 Dec 2020 08:47


Oscar Meza wrote:

Has anyone gotten any luck making Elite Frontier II to work in ApolloOS, using the whdload file downloaded from whdownload?

The current ApollOS has with Frontier included.
Please look in WORK:/GAMES/Frontier


Kamelito Loveless

Posts 260
12 Dec 2020 09:11


Even if all Amiga programs/games are ancient that doesn’t mean you can included them anywhere you want without the author approval.
In fact a fan had made some years ago a rewrite of Elite in C and put it online, David Braden ask him to remove that link. Just saying.


James Husted
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Posts 81/ 3
12 Dec 2020 16:01


call the police.


Kamelito Loveless

Posts 260
12 Dec 2020 17:10


Clever guy., Gunnar please close my account I’m fed up of intelligent people.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
12 Dec 2020 17:59


Guys I think we all want the same.

We all love Amiga!

We miss the times when 10 new Amiga came out each week.
And in our hearts we still live in them.


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
12 Dec 2020 18:31


Kamelito Loveless wrote:

  In fact a fan had made some years ago a rewrite of Elite in C and put it online, David Braden ask him to remove that link. Just saying.

I dont get why, new version of frontier is gorgeous, and his current source of revenue. This is ancient and no longer source of income. Many DOS titles are avail online, and big and active companies like Lucasarts dont make a fuss. They do some HD remakes like Grim Faldango and Day of Tentancle and get money from there. There is even very nice HD Wonderboy Dragons Lair.

It would be best if there was a contact with authors AND their approval.



Oscar Meza

Posts 10
12 Dec 2020 20:43


I may be missing something. I don’t find the game in my R3 build using Opus to look inside the Games folder in the Work partition.


Anita Kai

Posts 4
17 Apr 2021 23:22


Frontier II is available on abandonware site. So, what's the fuss?


Thorsten B

Posts 17
18 Apr 2021 00:31


Thats a common misconception. Abandonware still is copyrighted unless the author(s) tell otherwise. The Term itself gives no legal authority to copy. In the case of Frontier II all Companies involved and the author are well known. On the other hand you can still install the game with whdload if you posses the game itself.



Anita Kai

Posts 4
18 Apr 2021 01:23


Thorsten B wrote:

Thats a common misconception. Abandonware still is copyrighted unless the author(s) tell otherwise. The Term itself gives no legal authority to copy. In the case of Frontier II all Companies involved and the author are well known. On the other hand you can still install the game with whdload if you posses the game itself.
 

Ah, ok. That clarified things.


James Husted
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Posts 81/ 3
18 Apr 2021 11:52


Thorsten B wrote:

Thats a common misconception. Abandonware still is copyrighted unless the author(s) tell otherwise. The Term itself gives no legal authority to copy. In the case of Frontier II all Companies involved and the author are well known. On the other hand you can still install the game with whdload if you posses the game itself.
 

I am not trying to be funny but in my opinion if its more than 20 years old its fair game... all this copyright is nonsense and they arnt actually going to prosecute over it - do you know how much money it costs these days to start a legal campaign? More money than its worth over 20 year old code for a system thats considered dead and burried by most of the world.

plus most of us purchased all this software years ago so in my eyes I legal own the software anyway.


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
18 Apr 2021 17:44


David is making money on new Elite Dangerous, that I do own. At the other hand, there is no way to buy Amiga version of Frontier or Frontier First Encounters for DOS (that I love way more). Its not even mentioned on the new website. In fact, there are OpenGL etc. remakes available in PC world - fanmade.
       
        On Mac Garden website I can get PPC Mac software from various manufacturers including Apple, but since they no longer sell it they dont make any fuss. I purchased Leopard MacOS X PPC from ebay because I wanted a clean OS. So in retro perspective piracy is a strange thing. Piracy hurts when you are actually hurting actual sales. Amiga old software or Mac Classic software or Mac PPC software is actually more history preserved (and in decade from now Intel Mac software will be too).
 
  While generally copyright laws exist for a reason, in IT reality it seems its owerwritten by its own authors - after few years they stop selling and supporting a product. You are no longer actively pirating - hurting anyones sales, manufacturer has either dead and gone (often in Amiga cases) or decided not to support or sell the product anymore.
 
      Roadshow, Ibrowse full etc. or any currently sold and developed Amiga product is not included beside demo version in ApolloOS/Coffin etc. In fact I would love to see a new AmigaOS for stronger price that would come with decent stack and browser and continuous updates for it :) And would buy it. Since its de facto must have in these ages.

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