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Szyk Cech
Posts 191
29 Sep 2016 13:50
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Jan Vonka wrote:
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Is there any memory limit for A3/4000 Fast CPU Slot? I thought when all accelerator boards are limited to 128 MB max, then this could be the real limit. I would really wish at least 256 or more MBytes for Bog Box Vampire.
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no there is not physical limit.
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But what about Amiga OS limit?!? 2GB?!?
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Mo Retro
Posts 241
29 Sep 2016 16:38
| Jan Vonka wrote:
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Gunnar, thank you for this info and thank you for doing this project because I see it a one of the most important milestones in Amiga history. Good job apollo-core team and keep it up ;o)
Back to the theme. If I can say my wishes about Vampire for bigboxed Amigas, it would be following:
- min. 256 MB RAM
- 2-4x SATA connectors
- 1x eSATA connector
- RTG with DIGITAL-VIDEO and 3D instruction set for Warp3D
I think we dont need Soundcard, USB, SCSI, ETH ... as these are already in most of these boxes.
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Sorry I must disagree about the wishlist.
USB & Ethernet are a must. Even if some hardcore user has these in his big box Amiga, for the average user these are to expensive. A native USB and Ethernet will also be much faster than the zorro II/III cards. USB opens a door to unlimited extensions!
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Nadyr Nick
Posts 54
29 Sep 2016 18:02
| Mo Retro wrote:
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Jan Vonka wrote:
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Gunnar, thank you for this info and thank you for doing this project because I see it a one of the most important milestones in Amiga history. Good job apollo-core team and keep it up ;o)
Back to the theme. If I can say my wishes about Vampire for bigboxed Amigas, it would be following:
- min. 256 MB RAM
- 2-4x SATA connectors
- 1x eSATA connector
- RTG with DIGITAL-VIDEO and 3D instruction set for Warp3D
I think we dont need Soundcard, USB, SCSI, ETH ... as these are already in most of these boxes.
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Sorry I must disagree about the wishlist.
USB & Ethernet are a must. Even if some hardcore user has these in his big box Amiga, for the average user these are to expensive. A native USB and Ethernet will also be much faster than the zorro II/III cards.
USB opens a door to unlimited extensions!
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you are right
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Jan Vonka
Posts 60
30 Sep 2016 08:49
| I dont say USB and ETH are not needed in Amiga, but I think they are not needed in Vampire since we have quite nice option called XSURF100 and RapidRoad USB module. This is still produced hardware and the price is affordable for everyone. On the Vampire 500 thread there is a nice example how Vampire use the maximum out of Zorro2 when Xsurf 100 usually runs about 900kB/s is now with Vampire running 2200kB/s. Yes I cant imagine bigbox Amiga without USB since it has no pcmcia. I have USB and card reader in all my bigboxes for easy CF transfers and I use also external CDROM just in case I need it. But my opinion is Vampire does not need to have ETH and USB because these cards are on the market and working fine, otherwise we would have empty zorro space ;o)
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Andrew Copland
Posts 113
30 Sep 2016 11:24
| Jan Vonka the problem with X-Surf & Rapid Road is partly the cost. Yes they exist but for the Zorro version you're looking at almost £200 for them both. Also as you say they're limited to about 2200kBps whereas as directly attached Vampire could probably drive them much faster. There are open source examples of implementing the networking for much less than £100 using a single chip attached to FPGA. With Vampire that FPGA & RAM is already there, the networking chip and socket is just a few dollars more.
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Jan Vonka
Posts 60
30 Sep 2016 14:07
| If you want Vampire to replace all the possible Amiga outputs, then you should go after the standalone version. I think most people who owns big box Amigas do not have problem to buy Network for 130 and USB for 100 (its nothing comparing to buying second-handed stock A4000 these days => its minimum 600 - 800 investment). The Xsurf speed test result 2200kB/s was ONLY the Zorro2 so who knows what Vampire will do with Zorro3 ;o)
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Andrew Copland
Posts 113
30 Sep 2016 17:35
| I don't want it to replace ALL the add in cards, but if you can add USB and ethernet for $10 then that's a much more attractive price than $200...
...if you really really want to spend the extra $190 then I promise not to try and stop you :)
However I have two A4000's, one of which would like a Vampire4000 and doesn't have USB or ethernet.
I'd rather give Majsta+Apollo team $510 (made up prices) than $500 to get those extra features than have to spend $700 to get the same thing but with slower USB & Ethernet via additional 3rd party cards.
Not everyone has piles of cash to spend on the extras.The z3sdram project v1.2 is the open souirce project with ethernet on it by the way EXTERNAL LINK
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Mo Retro
Posts 241
30 Sep 2016 19:52
| Andrew Copland wrote:
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I don't want it to replace ALL the add in cards, but if you can add USB and ethernet for $10 then that's a much more attractive price than $200...
...if you really really want to spend the extra $190 then I promise not to try and stop you :)
However I have two A4000's, one of which would like a Vampire4000 and doesn't have USB or ethernet.
I'd rather give Majsta+Apollo team $510 (made up prices) than $500 to get those extra features than have to spend $700 to get the same thing but with slower USB & Ethernet via additional 3rd party cards.
Not everyone has piles of cash to spend on the extras.
The z3sdram project v1.2 is the open souirce project with ethernet on it by the way EXTERNAL LINK |
Right on I second that :)
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6219
30 Sep 2016 20:03
| Guys Sure I understand that we all want all possbile features for the lowest possible price. But hey we need to be realistic.
If we develop all kind of extra features your next vampire card will take 3 more years before coming out. So the best we can promise is maybe adding an expansion port
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Mo Retro
Posts 241
30 Sep 2016 20:16
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Guys
Sure I understand that we all want all possbile features for the lowest possible price.
But hey we need to be realistic.
If we develop all kind of extra features your next vampire card will take 3 more years before coming out.
So the best we can promise is maybe adding an expansion port
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Is this expansion port also a possibility for future Vampire 2 A1200 and the A600/A500?
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Jan Vonka
Posts 60
03 Oct 2016 11:53
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
| | So the best we can promise is maybe adding an expansion port |
That would be the best solution. Who wants additional modules buy them, who is satisfied with Zorro equipment, he is fine already. Yes the same could be nice for A1200 too.
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Przemyslaw Tkaczyk
Posts 155
03 Oct 2016 13:06
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Guys
Sure I understand that we all want all possbile features for the lowest possible price.
But hey we need to be realistic.
If we develop all kind of extra features your next vampire card will take 3 more years before coming out.
So the best we can promise is maybe adding an expansion port
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That works for me - optional expansion port (although I would do OK without it). I don't need that many extras on my V4000 :) I personally will be extremely happy with what's on V600V2/V500 already but in a form of a CPU board for A3000/A4000 slot.
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Mo Retro
Posts 241
03 Oct 2016 13:54
| Mo Retro wrote:
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Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Guys
Sure I understand that we all want all possbile features for the lowest possible price.
But hey we need to be realistic.
If we develop all kind of extra features your next vampire card will take 3 more years before coming out.
So the best we can promise is maybe adding an expansion port
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Is this expansion port also a possibility for future Vampire 2 A1200 and the A600/A500?
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If it's an industry standard expansion port like PCIEpress than that would the Max :)
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Amiga 4Life
Posts 102
16 Oct 2016 02:23
| Jan Vonka wrote:
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Yes I cant imagine bigbox Amiga without
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@Jan Vanka
100% agreed...Zii boards are still relevant, many Zii boards have their own software written
specifically for them in order to access certain features ...some of these features are accessible
through arexx or plugins (of other 3rd party applications)...ad516,tocatta,delfina flipper,prisma
megamix..(vlab motion)...An a4k/2k loaded with 4 Zii audio boards will give Vampire access to a multitrack recording system...
please keep in mind that these Zii audio boards are full duplex (playback & record simultaneously),
this is more usable in a music studio environment. If you add spidf you will have digital ins/outs...
Hdmi audio is more suitable for home theater setups...
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Amiga 4Life
Posts 102
16 Oct 2016 02:27
| So far I haven't seen anything in the Vampire standalone that suggest its capable of replacing a
semi loaded a4k/2k....bigbox Amiga is a Pro A/V machine that goes in the studio....
Vampire standalone/500/600/cdtv is your game machine,aga/saga demo player,mp3/avi/dvd player,net
surfing, streaming box....(this is the consumer product)..
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Gregthe Canuck
Posts 274
16 Oct 2016 07:27
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I have an A3000 that would love a Vampire.It has an A2065 ethernet card but that card only supports 10mbit/second. Very slow by today's standards. If wifi was available that would be a nice bonus.
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P Govotsos
Posts 9
21 Oct 2016 03:09
| A Vampire 4000 just with tons of memory and a super fast CPU and FPU would be all I would definitely want as long as it would be compatible with current Zorro III and possibly Mediator expansions. With this Lightwave or other 3D modelers would fly! As someone else said, it would probably help VLab as well and to a lesser extent a Toaster / Flyer. You CAN do 3D and video editing on a PC but the experience on an Amiga is just funner.
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Documentation about the Vampire hardware