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Wawa T

Posts 445
04 Jan 2018 18:55


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
 
  Saying this, trend is..

 
  im not sure we are here for trends. rather for recollection and reconsideration.. otherwise you are really best served with a linux file manager skin.
 
 
  OS becomes more hardware independent (or supports as wider base as possible) and not tied to single machine(s), and can in time be even ported to more then one CPU arch.

 
  wanting to mention linux, your realize at this point obviously, that you are describing aros as well:
 
 
Saying that, anything that runs AROS temporarily becomes "Amiga".

 
  what? by a kind of mystic transfiguration, that a sole concept of ignited few balkan wars? (luckily generally successful for balkan nations, even though those would objectively probably be as prosperous with ottoman empire in place as with eu, russia, yugoslavia or no supreme power at all)
 
  nevertheless if its a kind of sensation you experience, running aros, i differ. when i run aros on pc, mostly hosted in linux or windows, its just aros hosted on whatever. when i run aros native on an amiga, it is aros on an amiga. nothing more, nothing less.
 
  all that matters is, what of amiga you can get to run on that system, before it bothers too much. certainly not net-bsd, whih is certainly fine in its own right, is not the answer to that. aros (68k) certainly is. but does it makes it "amiga"? not to me. im still talking of an amiga running aros, as i feel proper. its up to you, what you think.
 
 


Mallagan Bellator

Posts 233
05 Jan 2018 02:29


wawa t wrote:

Mallagan Bellator wrote:

 
wawa t wrote:

    what concerns "classic" i consider it superflous, since it suggests there are some other "non classic" amigas elswhere.
   

    the PPC Amiga One computers and Pegasos computers are none classics
 

 
  neither of these computers is an amiga, same as an aros x86 box is none. amigaone is an amigaone, pegasos is respectively a pegasos, efika is efika, mac with morphos is still a mac and vampire standalone will remain vampire, except the agreement will be met, that it can be branded "amiga". simple, as it is. of course you can call anything "amiga" for convenience, none will sue you for it, but facts are facts.

The Amiga One and Pegasos were designed to run Amiga software in PPC performance. Commodore themselves stated that the PPC was the new type of CPU for the Amiga, AmigaOS4.0 and onwards was inevitable. Therefore, the Amiga One and pegasos with AmigaOS 4+ which was made to emulate 68k code, ARE Amkgas, even if the donít have chipsets that support the ECS/AGA screen modes, or the copper of those, or other things like Paula. They may be mostly incompatible Ēout of the boxĒ like that without UAE, but they are still Amiga, like it or not



Mallagan Bellator

Posts 233
05 Jan 2018 02:41


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

To me being a real _AMIGA_ means it has to have the "AMIGA chipset"

I kind of agree, to a certain extent. For compatibility, yes. But the Amiga One and Pegasos were specifically made to run Amiga OS4 and Amiga software. Therefore they are also Amiga. Worse Amigas, sure, even though they have stronger CPUs, but hey, we all know thatís not everything. There was quite a long time when I wanted an Amiga One with a G4, but not anymore. Now I want a V4 for A1200, and later a standalone with ASIC 080 cpu, if the core isnít evolved into letís say 090 by that time. Then that would be what Iíd want instead ;)


Tim Trepanier

Posts 9
05 Jan 2018 03:59


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

To me being a real _AMIGA_ means it has to have the "AMIGA chipset"

I agree. I would also state that classic Amiga's run natively on a 68k compatible instruction set.

So a good Vampire stand alone name should be something like:
Amiga Classic 5068 or
Classic Amiga 5068


Alan Haynes

Posts 75
05 Jan 2018 11:51


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  To me being a real _AMIGA_ means it has to have the "AMIGA chip-set"
 

 
  I agree and that is exactly what we have in the Apollo Vampire.
  Correct me if I am wrong Gunnar but don't we currently plug the Vampire card into an Amiga that still relies on the existing Chip-set to Function?
  So it is an Amiga by Gunnar's definition. Remember that we only remove the CPU and the ROM but the Chip-set remains in use.
  The reason for that is the code for the cpu and the rom is built into the Cyclone FPGA.
  When the standalone is released it will no longer require the chip-set because that code will also be built into the FPGA.
  Now you may be an electronics genius or whatever but to the layman the Amiga Chip-set, the CPU, the ROM and all the other pieces of silicon on the Amiga Mother board are simply Integrated Circuits.
  The Vampire uses an FPGA and guess what it is to all intents and purposes an Integrated Circuit. All be it a Programmable LSI type of Integrated Circuit but an IC just the same.
  So to all those who think that a Vampire is not an Amiga sorry but it is only a vastly improved Amiga.
  I mean really; if Commodore was still in existence do we really believe that they would not have moved past AGA which was the progression of ECS. We have all heard of the AAA Chip-set and all wondered what it would be like had Commodore brought it to Fruition.
  Well we are on the way to it becoming a reality only the name of the company is not Commodore but Apollo.
  Remember a computer such as the Amiga is so much more than a pile of Silicon. I still see this as an Amiga just in a modern updated format that is no longer stagnant.
  Go Team Apollo!!!!!!!!


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 732
05 Jan 2018 12:05


Alan Haynes wrote:

  but don't we currently plug the Vampire card into an Amiga that still relies on the existing Chip-set to Function?

Currently. Its planed to have chipset implemented in FPGA and enhanced (to AGA) in cores GOLD3+


Alan Haynes

Posts 75
05 Jan 2018 12:15


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

Alan Haynes wrote:

  but don't we currently plug the Vampire card into an Amiga that still relies on the existing Chip-set to Function?
 

 
  Currently. Its planed to have chipset implemented in FPGA and enhanced (to AGA) in cores GOLD3+

Exactly what I said as you read further.
Maybe we should call it "The Miner" in remembrance of Jay Miner. The Father of the Amiga. Just a silly idea.


Mallagan Bellator

Posts 233
06 Jan 2018 03:28


Thereís alot of ideas for names. I think it would be wise to give it a name good enough to let people know right away that itís an Amiga, as soon as they hear about it, so that it draws emediate attention, then bomb youtube with videos and put the word ĒAmigaĒ itself in the tag, so that when people search youtube for Amiga, and those videos have alot of views, they will show up pretty fast and get more exposure. Then as a clever move, link to where they can be bought.

The name should be something obvious, like ĒAmi 080Ē or such. It almost says Amiga, and even if old Amiga users are not so knowledgable about the 68000/020/030 and so on, cpu names, they are quite likely to at least recognize it and remember that itís related to Amiga.

Well, the rest is pretty self explained I guess.
It doesnít really matter if the name is cool, or flashy, but rather that itís recognizable without actually conflict with copyrights, which I donít think this would


Hugo Pereira

Posts 7
06 Jan 2018 11:06


A good name and easily recognizable is in my opinion ... Apollo Amiga V4.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 610
06 Jan 2018 16:48


The first Amiga wasn't called "Amiga 1000", initially.

A1000 = 68000 (however, A500/600/2000/CDTV also have it)
A3000 = 68030
A4000 = 68030 and 68040

So, I'm thinking as the CPU in the Vampire's FPGA is a "68080" then the Amiga equivalent would be (sort of) an "Amiga 8000".

Amiga 8000 AV-2a (Apollo Vampire-2 accelerator)
Amiga 8000 AV-4s (Apollo Vampire-4 standalone)


Wawa T

Posts 445
06 Jan 2018 16:49


Too complicated and legally Dangerous. Natami was a very good Name. Something similar would be good.



Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 732
06 Jan 2018 17:10


AmigaOne etc. plays on Amiga name AND continuation of its models,
did not play well. So overall, I see nothing wrong with "Vampire (Standalone) V4" as it is. No fancy name, it is what it is.

Vamp-Ami V4 or 080 could be best shot to that direction.

Full use of Amiga name is hazardous and often leads to company/product death, or at least frozen state :-) If not to agressive lawyars!



Hugo Pereira

Posts 7
06 Jan 2018 22:22


AAV4 = Apollo Amiga V4


Daniel Sevo

Posts 173
06 Jan 2018 23:39


Meanwhile at the hardware store... :-)

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Mallagan Bellator

Posts 233
07 Jan 2018 01:07


Hugo Pereira wrote:

A good name and easily recognizable is in my opinion ... Apollo Amiga V4.

So it can legally have Amiga in the name?


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 732
09 Jan 2018 00:18


Mallagan Bellator wrote:

  So it can legally have Amiga in the name?
 

 
  Not without an additional license fee from Amiga Inc, and I bet some Hyperion AmigaOS 3.x too ...
 
  So would you really pay additional money to just have the name?

Daniel Sevo wrote:

Meanwhile at the hardware store... :-)

Small details of everyday life. I just wonder what could we dig on Spanish girls!

We in Serbia have the construction company
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Wawa T

Posts 445
09 Jan 2018 04:05


as its well illustrated by current proceedings, one can never be sure, who holds any rights and who may be only bragging about. money are easily lost for nothing like that.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 610
09 Jan 2018 05:01


I think I'll refer to it as the Vampire 4s (standalone) or 4m (motherboard) and when asked "what Amiga is it?", say "I classify it as an 'Amiga 8000', because it's an '080' CPU".

So, a 68090 would be an Amiga 9000 and 68100 an Amiga 10000.

Unless, it's named otherwise. (Still want to call it an Amiga 8000.)

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