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Warning : Vampire V500 In A2000 Using Slot-adaptor

Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 3079
15 Nov 2017 11:49


Dear Users,
 
The Vampire-2 V500 is designed for the Amiga-500.
 
The Vampire-2 V500 can physically be plug into the Amiga-500 in one way. By accident plugging it in upside down is physically not possible.
 
Vampire-2 V500 can physically also be plugged in the A2000 68K CPU socket. Also here upside down plugging in is physically not possible.
 
There are some 3rd party connectors on the market which allow plugging in the Vampire V500 into the A2000 CPU-slot.
Please be aware that some of those connector might allow the user to plug in the card "rotated" - please understand that this wrong connection of the card will result in short circuits - propably destroying the Vampire and the AMIGA.
 
Please be aware that usage / problems caused by connectors are not covered under warranty.

One important info:
You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
 
In the AMIGA the CPU is driven by the 7 MHz clocks.
The CIA chips of the AMIGA needs an extra clock which is created inside the CPU. This clock is called E-CLK.
 
The VAMPIRE is designed to replace the 68000 CPU.
Therefore the VAMPIRE has of course to create this E-CLK for the AMIGA to continue to function.
This means if you put the VAMPIRE inside an A2000 with this adapter,
  then the VAMPIRE will drive the E-CLK from there and the AMIGA works.

Mind that
You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
Otherwise you have 2 chips in the AMIGA both driving the E-CLK which  can not work.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 732
15 Nov 2017 12:10


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  There are some 3rd party connectors on the market which allow plugging in the Vampire V500 into the A2000 CPU-slot.
  Please be aware that some of those connector might allow the user to plug in the card "rotated" - please understand that this wrong connection of the card will result in short circuits - propably destroying the Vampire and the AMIGA.

How does this relate to raisers Acil has been selling for the exactly same purpose? Surely, there is also a right way to do it.


Mr Niding

Posts 209
15 Nov 2017 13:37


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  There are some 3rd party connectors on the market which allow plugging in the Vampire V500 into the A2000 CPU-slot.
  Please be aware that some of those connector might allow the user to plug in the card "rotated" - please understand that this wrong connection of the card will result in short circuits - propably destroying the Vampire and the AMIGA.
 

 
  How does this relate to raisers Acil has been selling for the exactly same purpose? Surely, there is also a right way to do it.

I translate Gunnars post with "You better know what you are doing!" with regards to orientation/installing the card via connectors.

It is pretty much the same as I was told when I asked if I could use the Prisma Musiccard on my A600 with the 604n expansioncards clockports.
I was told that yes, you can install and use the Prisma card with the 604n clockport, but if I plug it in the wrong orientation, I would risk shorting both the card and the motherboard.

Obviously if you try to use hardware beyond the default method, you are on your own.

Thats all I read from Gunnars post.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 732
15 Nov 2017 14:07


Mr Niding wrote:

  I was told that yes, you can install and use the Prisma card with the 604n clockport, but if I plug it in the wrong orientation, I would risk shorting both the card and the motherboard.
 
  Obviously if you try to use hardware beyond the default method, you are on your own.
 
  Thats all I read from Gunnars post.

OK, proper instruction should be given, not just warning that can put people off. I suppose similar would be needed again for v4 500 model used in A2000.


Claudio Guglielmotti
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 157
15 Nov 2017 15:02


I do not understand why the adapters aren't sold with a manual and some pictures to show how the Vampire should be installed,
In this way even a monkey could places the vampire in the a2000.


John William

Posts 230
15 Nov 2017 15:27


claudio guglielmotti wrote:

I do not understand why the adapters aren't sold with a manual and some pictures to show how the Vampire should be installed,
  In this way even a monkey could places the vampire in the a2000.

Where is the fun in that?


Wawa T

Posts 445
15 Nov 2017 15:47


there are people who manage to force a short zorro card such as deneb upside down into the slot. not to speak about clockport expansions, where the correct installation seems to be a pure lottery.


David Wright

Posts 201
15 Nov 2017 15:56


Trust me, in haste anything you would consider stupid is possible.
Ask me how I know.

I have Jen's Aca 500 plus which he advises not to insert into the 1000.
Ok, many say so what if it doesn't sync on first boot, just reset. Fine that may be ok, but taking it out and trying on other 500s and then hastily putting it in wrong way can happen.

Yes, I fried the circuitry or some part of it. In my mind I know it goes in a different way but not UPSIDE DOWN!

Yes, live and learn on this and let people know. Acill has sold a lot of these adapters.


Darren Eveland

Posts 3
15 Nov 2017 16:02


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Dear Users,
 
  The Vampire-2 V500 is designed for the Amiga-500.
 
  The Vampire-2 V500 can physically be plug into the Amiga-500 in one way. By accident plugging it in upside down is physically not possible.
 
  Vampire-2 V500 can physically also be plugged in the A2000 68K CPU socket. Also here upside down plugging in is physically not possible.
 
  There are some 3rd party connectors on the market which allow plugging in the Vampire V500 into the A2000 CPU-slot.
  Please be aware that some of those connector might allow the user to plug in the card "rotated" - please understand that this wrong connection of the card will result in short circuits - propably destroying the Vampire and the AMIGA.
 
  Please be aware that usage / problems caused by connectors are not covered under warranty.

I bought my A2000 slot adapter from Acill.  But I am waiting for Vampire V4.  I was told this adapter may not work with the V4... :(


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 3079
15 Nov 2017 16:30


Darren Eveland wrote:

I bought my A2000 slot adapter from Acill.  But I am waiting for Vampire V4.  I was told this adapter may not work with the V4... :(

Because?



Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 732
15 Nov 2017 16:33


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  Because?

No body outside the team has even touched it :-)

If connector is the same, there is no reason why not.



Darren Eveland

Posts 3
15 Nov 2017 17:23


Because it was not tested yet.  This is a clone of the Kipper2K adapter (and/or the same one).  I understand Acill bought remaining stock from Kipper.  He also produced some of his own boards based on that design.

If you can test Kipper's adapter with the V4 and verify it works/fits that would be great.


Claudio Guglielmotti
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 157
15 Nov 2017 19:40


-


Roger Shimada

Posts 30
16 Nov 2017 05:09


Sadly, yes, unkeyed connectors can cause a disaster.

A possible problem with Kipper2k's Vampire 500 V2 adapters being used with the V4 is the small amount of space between the left of the 68000 socket and the A2000 motherboard. See EXTERNAL LINK and EXTERNAL LINK


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 3079
18 Nov 2017 09:24


One important info:
You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
 
In the AMIGA the CPU is driven by the 7 MHz clocks.
The CIA chips of the AMIGA needs an extra clock which is created inside the CPU. This clock is called E-CLK.
 
The VAMPIRE is designed to replace the 68000 CPU.
Therefore the VAMPIRE has of course to create this E-CLK for the AMIGA to continue to function.
This means if you put the VAMPIRE inside an A2000 with this adapter,
  then the VAMPIRE will drive the E-CLK from there and the AMIGA works.

Mind that
You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
Otherwise you have 2 chips in the AMIGA both driving the E-CLK which  can not work.
 
 
 


Tim Kovack

Posts 35
20 Nov 2017 18:32


I bought one from Acill and it does have silk screening showing how to install the chip and also how to orient the slot into the 2000.


Darren Eveland

Posts 3
24 Nov 2017 19:23


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

One important info:
  You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
 
  In the AMIGA the CPU is driven by the 7 MHz clocks.
  The CIA chips of the AMIGA needs an extra clock which is created inside the CPU. This clock is called E-CLK.
 
  The VAMPIRE is designed to replace the 68000 CPU.
  Therefore the VAMPIRE has of course to create this E-CLK for the AMIGA to continue to function.
  This means if you put the VAMPIRE inside an A2000 with this adapter,
    then the VAMPIRE will drive the E-CLK from there and the AMIGA works.
 
  Mind that
  You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
  Otherwise you have 2 chips in the AMIGA both driving the E-CLK which  can not work.
 

So you MUST remove the 68000 CPU even if you use the A2000 Slot adapter with the Vampire installed? You typically do not have to do this with other accelerators.

Right now my A2000 has a Blizzard 2060 in the A2000 CPU slot and I did not have to remove the 68000 CPU. 



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 3079
24 Nov 2017 19:32


Darren Eveland wrote:

 
Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

    You always need to REMOVE the old 68000!
    Otherwise you have 2 chips in the AMIGA both driving the E-CLK which  can not work.
   
 

  So you MUST remove the 68000 CPU even if you use the A2000 Slot adapter with the Vampire installed? 
 

You got that right.
You have to remove the on board 68000 in any way.

Mind that the V500 is designed for the A500 and
that its designed as CPU replacement.

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