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OS 4.1 Support Fo Apollo Cards...

Dawid 1983

Posts 29
10 Dec 2021 12:41


Just had a message today from Hyperion regarding my question. They said they can work on OS 4.1 support for vampire cards but Apollo Team have to contact them and make a step in this direction.
(as far i understand them)

  Apollo cards with 4.1 Classic possible?


Roger Andre Lassen

Posts 150
10 Dec 2021 17:13


interesting !


Pitteloud Stephane
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 69
10 Dec 2021 18:22


as Amiga OS 4.1 is full powerPC, I don't see how this can happen...


Stefano Briccolani

Posts 586
10 Dec 2021 18:26


It seems a joke to me. Porting AmigaOS 4.1 to 68k architecture would need a lot of time, a lot of coders, a lot of money.
I suspect that Hyperion doesn't have neither coders nor the money needed.
A more reasonable (but very unlikely) prospect could be a version of OS3.2 more tailored for Vampire boards.
I think whoever answered your question was not telling you the truth.




Pitteloud Stephane
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 69
10 Dec 2021 19:02


given that OS4 is basically a rewrite of OS 3.x in PPC native code, i really don't see the point :-)


Tim D

Posts 84
10 Dec 2021 19:49


Stefano Briccolani wrote:

  I think whoever answered your question was not telling you the truth.

Duh, we're talking about Hyperion/ They even claim they have the rights to release OS 3.2.



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
11 Dec 2021 08:40


Dawid 1983 wrote:

  Just had a message today from Hyperion regarding my question. They said they can work on OS 4.1 support for vampire cards

   
   
Hello David,
   
are you making a joke here?
   
Or did you really talk to Hyperion with this?
If yes, who from Hyperion answered you?
 
As far as I know, Hyperion is today a "letterbox company" with only 1 person a lawyer behind. There is no Hyperion company building, there are no Hyperion employees and there are no Hyperion coders.
 
The one person behind Hyperion "the lawyer" has a real bad reputation of screwing his business partners.
He is known to have no understanding about Amiga hardware and no clue about coding.
 
With whom did you talk?
   
   
I seriously wonder what benefit "porting" OS 4 to 68K would offer?
As you will know yourself, OS 4 is first of all a translation of  OS 3 code from the 68K CPU to code for the PowerPC CPU.
And then also a few smaller things were changed in it.
But fundamentally its OS 3 with a different name.
   
I think you really have to mind that OS 4 is NOT a new OS for Amiga but its OS 3 with a new name.
   
All the programs which are currently compiled for OS4 will not run anymore - on any other CPU. This means you will get with this not more software then just running normal old OS3.0 or running ApolloOS.


Dawid 1983

Posts 29
11 Dec 2021 12:49


Hi It's not a joke :) i was asking in mail to Hyperion support is any future to see vampire cards  with os 4.1  So I received answare like  i say. Maybe is a time for next OS for classic Amiga.
Eg  Os 4.1 68K editon.
 
  Mail come from
  Support@hyperion-entertainment.com


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
12 Dec 2021 08:34


Dawid 1983 wrote:

Maybe is a time for next OS for classic Amiga.

 
The next OS for classic Amiga is called APOLLO-OS.
 
To me Amiga is a computer with a powerful and coder friendly 68K CPU and with the smart and clever Amiga chipset.
Amiga Chipset is a genious design. Its based on DMA channels which give the computer Sprites, Audio, Blitter, and the Copper.
   
For us an OS needs to embrace and support the features of the Amiga, it needs to use the DMA channels and needs to utility the power of the Copper and Amiga design. Now ask yourself is OS 4 designed for using the strength of the Amiga, the Amiga chipset?
Is the goal of OS 4 not exactly the opposite?
OS 4 goal is to run on non-Amiga hardware and not to use Amiga chipset.
 

Dawid, as you know our goal is to revive Amiga.
And I'm sure you understand that if we work together with partner then we would want to work with honest, and reliable partners that we can trust and rely on - and that share the same goal.

As you know Hyperion has a reputation for being all this not.
Hyperion, has a history of screwing their business partners.
Hyperion is a history of ripping off their own employees.
And a history of fighting lawsuits to harm other Amiga developers.
 
Would you want to work together with a company of this history?


Yvan (SKYNET)

Posts 36
12 Dec 2021 10:43


Franchement je ne vois pas l'intérêt d'avoir Os 4.1 68k puisqu'il y a déjà la 3.1.4 et la 3.2!

En Faites la 4.1 est déjà sorti elle s'appelle 3.2.


Mr-Z EdgeOfPanic

Posts 189
12 Dec 2021 11:11


With OS3.2 there is already some back porting done from 4.1 to 3.2.
Must say I really like what has been done to 3.2, all the small little additions add up to quite a nice experience and there's quite a lot of nice improvement's and new functions in OS32.

Porting OS4.x to 68K is not going to happen this would cost a lot of money and i don't see the point.
Continuing OS3 like it's being done now makes more sense.



Dawid 1983

Posts 29
12 Dec 2021 14:46



 
 
  1 Dawid, as you know our goal is to revive Amiga.
  2 As you know Hyperion has a reputation for being all this not.
  3 Hyperion, has a history of screwing their business partners.
 
  1 Yes and i love the idea
  2 mhh never look deep like this now i know :)
  3 Not very nice

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Darren Eveland

Posts 101
14 Dec 2021 16:30


@ All, you do realize OS4 started out on 68k.  It was done first on 68k and then gradually ported to PPC.  Of course that original 68k version is now far out of date, because as components became PPC native the corresponding 68k originals were not updated.

Hyperion has always been receptive about new hardware to work on OS4, and that includes accelerators for Classic.

However in this case it doesn't make sense as OS4 is fully PPC native and the Vampire is 68K.

Backporting it would be way too much work.  Better to focus on AmigaOS 3.x and Coffin distributions. 

And the Apollo Team of course has their own alternative in ApolloOS.




Bamdad Khan

Posts 6
17 Dec 2021 14:06


to be honest i'd appreciate any alternative OSs on the V4.
not because i'm not content with my coffin fork, or because i don't appreciate and look forward to the AROS-based apollOS maturing.. i just like choice.

however, the best possible outcome would be that outdated copyrights are abolished and every amiga(-like) OS becomes open source, so we can have all the OS3.2 and 4.1 improvements in apollOS and vice versa. think of it: a GUI like OS4, backwards compatibility like OS3.9, stability and usability improvements like on 3.2, and a community-driven approach like AROS..

sure.. now i'm just dreaming.. people are too narrow-minded and greedy for this to ever happen


Roy Gillotti

Posts 517
17 Dec 2021 17:19


I guess I'm just not sure what the benefit would be using V4.X versus just modernizing a version of V3.X as the base.


DiscreetFX Studios

Posts 140
19 Dec 2021 02:50


Why not just jump forward to the mythical McBill AmigaOS 5.x better than OS X!!!

posts 16