While we are all Amiga fans by heart, not all of us have the in depth Linux background to understand what is technically feasibly and what not.

I believe that its very important to provide clear facts for the people, so that everybody can have reasonable expectations.

It is absolutely clear that running graphical Linux desktops with KDE/ Gnome and using applications like Firefox/ Open-Office are absolutely not realistic options on Amiga.
I believe that giving users false hopes and unrealistic promises will not help anyone.

Lets be crystal clear here:
Yes we all would like to use modern Webbrowsers on Amiga and we all would like to have Firefox - but this is not realistic.
And running Linux on 68K in the hope to have this way a working Firefox is not feasible.

Kudos to you, Gunnar.

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The amiga is not powerfull enough to run DOOM. It takes the full
speed of a 68040 to play the game properly even if you have a chunky
pixel mode in hardware. Having to convert to bit planes would kill
it even on the fastest amiga hardware, not to mention the effect it
would have on the majority of the amiga base.

John Carmack

not to talk about quake not long after.. 

my point is, let the users do what they want, everyone has it's own goals, it might fail, it might run, or nothing happens.. maybe new ideas will come from it, who knows.
So just let them have fun trying the impossible, it's what Amiga is all about

You can use your Amiga as surfboard,
or you can try jump out of a plane and use the Amiga as parachute. This both might work! ;-)
 
But please do this on your own. Do not speak about this here before!
Do not give promises that can be understood that Firefox will work and then people can watch Netflix on Amiga.
 
 
The point is not that people try stupid stuff.
The point is giving crazy promises which mislead others.
 

By the way, does it void the warenty of a Vampire v4 when trying to use it as a paracute ;)

Linux is for Mobile Phones, Routers , Tablets, E-Readers, Laptops
and Desktops. For embedded devices , for TV's for Printers , fridges , and single board computers such as the raspberry pi. Its used by movie studios for render farms, just as the Amiga was used back in the day.

Linux is ubiquitous. Were not citing 90s slashdot memes anymore things have moved on.

Given the massive wealth of open source software we could leverage were going to have to start porting open source linux apps to vampire and the only way to make that happen is to attract those kinds of developers. Im one.

This is true.

I believe the point of this thread is about something else.

I think we talk about that Apollo-OS and Amiga OS are swift and slim operating systems which allow you to do a lot with a light system.
Linux is not swift and not light.

We talk about that is not realistic for Amiga users to dream about using Firefox.

Porting Firefox is a totally unrealistic scenario.
Not only because this is a huge amount of work,
but also because Firefox needs more CPU and memory resources than which are available.

Is the Future of the Amiga an expensive way to play retro games or is the Future of Amiga something that can be a daily driver?

Does the Future of Amiga embrace alternatives to Vampire or does it exclude ?

For me i want to use my Amiga in a creative way again but with more of the bells and whistles we've become used to in the dominant platforms.

In my opinion the previous Linux threads was a mix of fake news and facts, which is very dangerous.

- its correct that text based Linux runs OK on Amiga
- its correct that there are Firefox is a modern webbrowser which can show all websites well.

Mixing both topics up in one posts was imho very misleading and misleading users help no one.

The thread is called "Linux On 68k" - now i admit i went off topic here about the Future of the Amiga. Perhaps that would be a good thread to create - id like discussion in this area.

My original interjection was simply to point out that is likely certain apps people really want rather than a Linux kernel. I agree something like Firefox is a tall order.

( Side Note : Firefox is not a Linux Specific App , it runs on many different operating systems. In fact the heritage of Firefox goes back to Netscape / Mozilla and there were 68k versions of those. )

voila again, a post which can mislead users.

Please try to post more responsable!

This is precisely the type of argument that makes me cringe about the Amiga community.

It's clear there is a camp that wants to preserve the status quo and reminisce about the good old days. And there are lots of options to ensure that you can relive those fond memories for years to come.

But technology evolves and becomes more affordable.

There was a time when colour displays, stereo sound and preemptive multitasking were concepts that were unrealistic and dare we say... inappropriate?

If an option came out tomorrow that offered 100x the power of the current Vampire, there would still be naysayers who would insist that a modern Amiga would be sacrilege.

Oh the irony.