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Markus B

Posts 209
12 Jan 2018 15:50


The current FPGA costs something like 110 USD, IIRC.
So the number to be produced could be even lower.

But then: Who is willing to invest 500000 USD?

This is only realistic once the general development has settled, as you can't fix anything later once produced.


Martin Soerensen

Posts 232
12 Jan 2018 16:05


Markus B wrote:
But then: Who is willing to invest 500000 USD?

And those $500k is a best-case scenario if everything goes perfectly smooth which is quite unlikely unless the team has done the task many times already with the same fab and process.

I'd say that it can easily exceed $1M as you also need to commit to buying a lot of units before the fab will even consider to invest their time and facilities in setting up a production. Hopefully you can regain some of the investment by using the finished devices in products that you sell to customers, but you cannot know for sure, so this is a risk that an investor would need to accept. The storage shelf-life may also only be a year or two before they become unsuitable for soldering, so you need to ship a lot of products quite fast.


Rachel Windsor

Posts 6
12 Jan 2018 17:12


Mallagan Bellator wrote:

Rachel Windsor wrote:

  Hmm, so it's largely up to the designer to make the best of it performance wise. Thanks!
 
  Also thanks for the welcome. ^_^ I'm a big Amiga fan and I think the Vampire is a great way to ressurrect people's love for Amiga using modern hardware, without having to resort to really expensive PPC setups. I think extending and modding is a big part of the Amiga-community, and I don't think those AmigaOne PPC PC's uphold that spirit anymore.
 
  I'm sorry, I don't mean to ramble haha.
 

  Hey... rambling is cool! At least when it comes to Amiga stuff and when it makes sense xD
  Anyhoo, I totally agree on the ppc front. Some software, like games, were made to take advantage of ppc in classic Amigas with 68k cpus as well, and that was pretty cool. Amiga OS 4.x on fully native ppc is pretty ok as well, I guess, but a more modern 68k core makes alot more sense.
  I believe in the future, the Apollo core cpus that are gonna be released in ASIC form are gonna blow everything else out of the water, many times over. Especially since the RTG core will most likely be implemented right into the same chip too.

Oh, I actually didn't even think about the Amiga PPC mods from back in the day... Hmm. Did they make a lot of software exclusively for that setup, I wonder?



Mallagan Bellator

Posts 393
14 Jan 2018 01:46


Well, to be honest I only talk about an ASIC version because Gunnar has talked about it before. It’s possible to do, of course. Did I know it would cost that much to make them? Nope.
It could possibly happen, though, if enough people would pay for them in advance, and/or kickstarter or something like that. Another option would be if vampires were mass produced and sold like crazy. I believe alot in the standalone, since people can buy and use it without owning an Amiga at all. That’s a specific market by itself.

Those who live will see


Mallagan Bellator

Posts 393
14 Jan 2018 01:59


Rachel Windsor wrote:

 
  Oh, I actually didn't even think about the Amiga PPC mods from back in the day... Hmm. Did they make a lot of software exclusively for that setup, I wonder?
 

Not sure, but you find quite a bunch of stuff that needs ppc on Aminet. Besides that, I know some commercial games required ppc, like Nightlong I believe. Also there’s a ppc version of Quake and Doom, and Quake 2.

I think even Heretic 2 required ppc. I wanted that game, it looked cool


Mallagan Bellator

Posts 393
14 Jan 2018 03:11


I also wonder if there will be any speed difference between A1200 version and A500 version of V4. Also if it will be compatible with mediator boards on A1200


Rachel Windsor

Posts 6
18 Jan 2018 17:29


Mallagan Bellator wrote:

Rachel Windsor wrote:

 
  Oh, I actually didn't even think about the Amiga PPC mods from back in the day... Hmm. Did they make a lot of software exclusively for that setup, I wonder?
 
 

  Not sure, but you find quite a bunch of stuff that needs ppc on Aminet. Besides that, I know some commercial games required ppc, like Nightlong I believe. Also there’s a ppc version of Quake and Doom, and Quake 2.
 
  I think even Heretic 2 required ppc. I wanted that game, it looked cool

Hmm... I suppose that if everything goes well, someone might want to port those games to 68x, since the Vampire is compatible with that (right?). I think those games you mentioned are able to run in software mode, so... Maybe? :p


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
18 Jan 2018 20:30


Rachel Windsor wrote:

  Hmm... I suppose that if everything goes well, someone might want to port those games to 68x, since the Vampire is compatible with that (right?). I think those games you mentioned are able to run in software mode, so... Maybe? :p

There are very few WarpOS/PowerUp titles that have no 68k edits
Crossfire, Freespace, Nightlong  have 68k versions.

Its Shogo, Software Tycoon, Earth 2140, Feeble Flies ... that could be back converted IF there were companies behind to do it. Most of them alreadu support RTG. Even Heretic II has AGA fallback, but binary is PPC only.

However, its all very unlikely. New games inspired by Vamp rise at current individuals and team efforts, are more likely to happen



Mallagan Bellator

Posts 393
21 Jan 2018 01:47


Rachel Windsor wrote:

Mallagan Bellator wrote:

 
Rachel Windsor wrote:

   
    Oh, I actually didn't even think about the Amiga PPC mods from back in the day... Hmm. Did they make a lot of software exclusively for that setup, I wonder?
   
 

  Not sure, but you find quite a bunch of stuff that needs ppc on Aminet. Besides that, I know some commercial games required ppc, like Nightlong I believe. Also there’s a ppc version of Quake and Doom, and Quake 2.
 
  I think even Heretic 2 required ppc. I wanted that game, it looked cool
 

 
  Hmm... I suppose that if everything goes well, someone might want to port those games to 68x, since the Vampire is compatible with that (right?). I think those games you mentioned are able to run in software mode, so... Maybe? :p

Yeah, maybe. Also I believe the SAGA gfx part does or will support 3d acceleration through Warp3D. I don’t think I ever got a clear answer to what the plans for this was, but all the work being done on AMMX and graphics processing, tells me they plan on this. In that case, things could start looking real sweet for the future ;)


Mallagan Bellator

Posts 393
21 Jan 2018 01:53


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

Even Heretic II has AGA fallback, but binary is PPC only.
 


Yeah, I thought so too. As far as I remember, I think you could play it with a Blizzard PPC accelerator and no extra graphics card, though a graphics card was certainly recomended

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