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Mark Smith
Posts 30
11 Feb 2017 07:31
| Working with the AROS people to make a Kickstart replacement might be better ... if more work.
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6258
11 Feb 2017 08:28
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It really comes down to opening up the lines of communication and determining if possibilities exist.
Every Vampire sold potentially results in additional OS licenses.
Every improvement to the OS leads to enhanced Vampire capabilities.
Win win.
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Of course we all agree with you here. But realistically you need people having
- the skill
- the will
- and the time
To do or to improve something. Looking how much development does happen...
I think the highest chances to really get any improvements are if we do all by ourselves.
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Michal Warzecha
Posts 209
11 Feb 2017 10:12
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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m rickan wrote:
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It really comes down to opening up the lines of communication and determining if possibilities exist.
Every Vampire sold potentially results in additional OS licenses.
Every improvement to the OS leads to enhanced Vampire capabilities.
Win win.
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Of course we all agree with you here.
But realistically you need people having
- the skill
- the will
- and the time
To do or to improve something.
Looking how much development does happen...
I think the highest chances to really get any improvements are if we do all by ourselves.
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True. But how much work You need to force Vampire to work with some old kickstart and how many patch You need to build to enchance this old operating system?
Mayby You need much less work if someone give You kickstart source code and let You work on it?
Some ppl works on improving kickstart by patching, mayby they could help? It's win win for everyone.
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6258
11 Feb 2017 10:18
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But how much work You need to force Vampire to work with some old kickstart.
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Zero?We added some fixes to the OS like 64bit filesystem fix - because it made sense. Michal Warzecha wrote:
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Mayby You need much less work if someone give You kickstart source code and let You work on it?
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Maybe. But I see no one doing active OS development for AMIGA atm.But who knows maybe the Toothfairy will bring out some new AMIGA OS.
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Michal Warzecha
Posts 209
11 Feb 2017 10:30
| Hard to not agree. But how someone could develop system if source is locked? I know it lack some time ago, but who will develop illegal operating system?
Many things are changed last time. Many source codes were released for free, new hardware was created. If You almost build new great Amiga from scratch, how could be not possible to create new system / improve old one? It should be walk on the park compare to what You and Your team did.
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M Rickan
Posts 177
11 Feb 2017 21:03
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Looking how much development does happen...
I think the highest chances to really get any improvements are if we do all by ourselves.
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You may be absolutely right. The Vampire team has proven that it is resourceful and doesn't need to depend on others. But... in the worst case, you may discover that there are options.
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Wawa T
Posts 695
12 Feb 2017 07:07
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Hard to not agree. But how someone could develop system if source is locked? I know it lack some time ago, but who will develop illegal operating system?
Many things are changed last time. Many source codes were released for free, new hardware was created. If You almost build new great Amiga from scratch, how could be not possible to create new system / improve old one? It should be walk on the park compare to what You and Your team did.
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no need to create an amiga compatible os from scratch. there is aros. it is basically 1.x-3.x kickstart binary compatible on 68k. which means it runs, or should run, since im not regularly checking everything, most usual amiga applications. yes, it has drawbacks in terms of speed and such, cause there is not enough motivated 68k contributors, and it might not run your nodos floppy game correctly.
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Michal Warzecha
Posts 209
12 Feb 2017 15:29
| Do You really think AROS is a good way? Somehow I don't like it. AOS with workbench is something what stick me to Amiga for long time. I don't like prosthesis like AROS, MorphOS ar any Linux distribution for Amiga.
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Wawa T
Posts 695
12 Feb 2017 17:22
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Do You really think AROS is a good way? Somehow I don't like it. |
i dont know, but its been you, who wrote:
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as if you didnt know that it exiests. so i simply remind you of it.
| AOS with workbench is something what stick me to Amiga for long time. |
if this is the only thing that keeps you with amiga, then simply stick with it, why would you want to change or improve on whats perfect?
I don't like prosthesis like AROS, MorphOS ar any Linux distribution for Amiga.
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neither os4, morphos on a linux distribution runs amiga software natively on an amiga. aros does. thats a simple comprehensible fact, not a question of sentiment.
as for it being a prothesis, i assume you refer to genuine source code, as if you would have it in front of your eyes all the time using amiga. what do you know of it genuinelity? have you ever seen that code, that it matters? me neither, but in fact os4 interfaces already now demand more ifdef statements when developing in paralell for the genuine amiga than aros. so thinking like this you should never have accepted apollo core, let alone the ppc boards, as a successor to a genuine 68k.
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M Rickan
Posts 177
12 Feb 2017 22:27
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Do You really think AROS is a good way? Somehow I don't like it. AOS with workbench is something what stick me to Amiga for long time.
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And of course, since that is your preference and you already have that option, you're set. But you also realize that for things to evolve they are going to have to change?
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Posts 690
13 Feb 2017 12:08
| compiled for 68k Aros is nothing else than implementation of 3.1 API (of course with a number of improvements. The only difference is that there is no workbench but you can easily use replacements like scalos or magellan. But I know it is not a rational discussion so I leave it by that... the strange thing is same people saying f.e. Aros is not the right thing (despite never really used it) would like to have 4.X on it despite the facts that it is least compatible to 3.X of all NG systems. Wired world...
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Wawa T
Posts 695
13 Feb 2017 12:35
| i think this topic is about an fpga video card, wouldnt it be better to return to it?
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