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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5474
10 Jul 2021 08:12


Thomas Blatt wrote:

Ich schreibe das mal auf Deutsch. Warum keine V4 für den Amiga 600? Immerhin war es der Amiga 600 mit der Vampire 2, der euch den Anfangserfolg gebracht hat. Ich bin da sehr enttäuscht von euch.

Lieber Thomas,

Es freut mich das Du Deinem Amiga treu bist.

Wie Du sicher verstehen kannst, können wir nicht an unendlich vielen
Karten gleichzeitig arbeiten. Daher macht es Sinn sich erstmal auf zwei Karten zu konzentrieren. Da die meisten unserer Fans schon lange auf überhaupt eine Karte für A500 und A1200 warten, ist meiner Meinung nach auch fair diesen zu helfen.

Wie Du vielleicht gesehen hast haben alle V4 basierten Karten mehr Features, das bedeutet mehr Stecker und bedeutet auch eine deutlich grösser Platine als die kleine V600.

Viele Kunden der V600 hatten Probleme mit der Kartenverbindung mit der CPU im A600. Eine grössere schwerere Karte hat einen stärkeren Hebel und eventuelle Kontakt Probleme sind daher vermutlich noch grösser. Ich könnte nicht mit gutem Gewissen den usern eine Karte verkaufen die eventuell Kontaktprobleme hat.

Aber ich sehe hier eine bessere Lösung, ich denke mit einer Adapter Platine mit Flachbandkabel kann das Kontakt Problem besser gelöst werden und dann kann man vermutlich im A600 eine Firebird benutzen.

Wie Du siehst ist dann schon unsere erste Karte die wir bauen - auch für den A600 nutzbar.




Roy Griffiths

Posts 3
10 Jul 2021 11:39


Hmm.  When I bought a Blizzard 1230 IV 50Mhz and the 1260 Cyberstorm with PPC came out, I didn’t feel strangely ripped off.

I felt money-poor and jealous.  But that’s nothing to do with Phase 5 - or in this instance, nothing to do with Apollo team.
 
V2, like any tech, was always going to be superseded eventually.


Mike Brantley

Posts 36
10 Jul 2021 23:03


Roy Griffiths wrote:

Hmm.  When I bought a Blizzard 1230 IV 50Mhz and the 1260 Cyberstorm with PPC came out, I didn't feel strangely ripped off.
 
  I felt money-poor and jealous.  But that's nothing to do with Phase 5 - or in this instance, nothing to do with Apollo team.
   
  V2, like any tech, was always going to be superseded eventually.

Well said. Thinking about it, I have numerous lovely old Commodore Amiga computers kicking about in my place. So I'm not even going to replace my V2 in my A500 so much as get a V4 accelerator for one (or two?) of my other lovelies. Am glad for the advances and also for the promise of increased production. Meantime, my V2+ in my A500 is a wonderful bit of kit that will keep being wonderful for years to come.



Thomas Blatt

Posts 190
11 Jul 2021 07:43


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Thomas Blatt wrote:

  Ich schreibe das mal auf Deutsch. Warum keine V4 für den Amiga 600? Immerhin war es der Amiga 600 mit der Vampire 2, der euch den Anfangserfolg gebracht hat. Ich bin da sehr enttäuscht von euch.
 

 
  Lieber Thomas,
 
  Es freut mich das Du Deinem Amiga treu bist.
 
  Wie Du sicher verstehen kannst, können wir nicht an unendlich vielen
  Karten gleichzeitig arbeiten. Daher macht es Sinn sich erstmal auf zwei Karten zu konzentrieren. Da die meisten unserer Fans schon lange auf überhaupt eine Karte für A500 und A1200 warten, ist meiner Meinung nach auch fair diesen zu helfen.
 
  Wie Du vielleicht gesehen hast haben alle V4 basierten Karten mehr Features, das bedeutet mehr Stecker und bedeutet auch eine deutlich grösser Platine als die kleine V600.
 
  Viele Kunden der V600 hatten Probleme mit der Kartenverbindung mit der CPU im A600. Eine grössere schwerere Karte hat einen stärkeren Hebel und eventuelle Kontakt Probleme sind daher vermutlich noch grösser. Ich könnte nicht mit gutem Gewissen den usern eine Karte verkaufen die eventuell Kontaktprobleme hat.
 
  Aber ich sehe hier eine bessere Lösung, ich denke mit einer Adapter Platine mit Flachbandkabel kann das Kontakt Problem besser gelöst werden und dann kann man vermutlich im A600 eine Firebird benutzen.
 
  Wie Du siehst ist dann schon unsere erste Karte die wir bauen - auch für den A600 nutzbar.
 
 
 
 

Lieber Gunnar, klar bleibe ich den Amiga treu. Mein Amiga 600 V2 ist genau so, wie ich mir das Vorstelle. Klein, kompakt und reichlich Power. Du vermutest das mit der Firebird. Solange kann ich warten. Mir rennt nix weg. Hätte schon gerne eine V4 für den kleinen


Haydar YÜKSEL

Posts 21
15 Jul 2021 09:39


EXTERNAL LINK 
Can this adapter be used?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5474
15 Jul 2021 10:04


Haydar YÜKSEL wrote:

EXTERNAL LINK 
  Can this adapter be used?

This adapter will increase the lever.
What do you think, will this not be make the whole more worse?


NoXLar - DemoSceneLover

Posts 31
20 Jul 2021 05:12


greaaaaaat stuff..  important to shot it like that !!

my question (since the have now have road marks like titans..)
and updating all your product lines.  missing some.

like the standalone V4 .    to V5 so on..  in plan.. or might canceled, will be done.. "if yes" when done.  i want one.. but not waiting 1 or 2 years for that.

i want V4S now..  or V5S  in few weeks..  so little info
 
               


Andrew Miller

Posts 318
20 Jul 2021 10:28


I think the V4 standalone will be around for quite a while, the FPGA is larger and improvements will continue until its perfected. (then maybe an ASIC V5? (we can hope))


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5474
20 Jul 2021 11:54


Our goal is of course very simple and modest.
We want to revive Amiga, and conquer the world with Amiga.
 
I believe that the Firebird, and V4-Standalone have the same features,
is a very important. They have both SAGA, 16bit Audio, 512 MB, Ethernet. I believe giving coders these features as "basis" will enable them to produce new awesome games and software for Amiga.

Our roadmap is to bring all Amiga system on the same equal level.


Örjan Olofsson

Posts 10
22 Jul 2021 14:07


Hi Gunnar!

I'm excited about your decision to make the A500/A1200-cards as
powerful as the standalone :-)

My first question is how many new ports/connections the cards will
add and your idea about placing them in the cases.

Am I right to assume that the old rgb and audio ports only will
output the original video and sound?

But, will it be possible to send the old pal and sound through the new ports?

Will the new audio be output both through hdmi and separate ports?

How power hungry do the cards make their hosts? I assume less than
current accelerators ;-)

Would it be possible to run kickstart 1.3 or 2.x when these cards
are installed? I enjoy the nostalgia ;-)

And, I have an Indivision AGA in my A1200, the new card will make that obsolete, no?

Sorry about all questions :-)

/Örjan


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5474
23 Jul 2021 07:09


Hello Orjan,
 
 
Örjan Olofsson wrote:

  Hi Gunnar!
 
  I'm excited about your decision to make the A500/A1200-cards as
  powerful as the standalone :-)
 
  My first question is how many new ports/connections the cards will
  add and your idea about placing them in the cases.
 

2 x IDE
RTC port
RJ45 Ethernet
USB
Digital Video
uSDcard
Audio DAC port
 
On the firebird they are on right corner facing right
On IceDrake they are facing to the top
 

Örjan Olofsson wrote:

  Am I right to assume that the old rgb and audio ports only will
  output the original video and sound?

Yes

Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
But, will it be possible to send the old pal and sound through the new ports?
 

Yes this is an option.

Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
  Will the new audio be output both through hdmi and separate ports?
 

Yes

Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
  How power hungry do the cards make their hosts? I assume less than
  current accelerators ;-)
 

Yes less power hungry than most current cards.
 
Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
  Would it be possible to run kickstart 1.3 or 2.x when these cards
  are installed? I enjoy the nostalgia ;-)

Yes

Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
  And, I have an Indivision AGA in my A1200, the new card will make that obsolete, no?

Yes its getting relative obsolete then.

Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
  Sorry about all questions :-)
  /Örjan
 

No problem :)
 


Richard Statham

Posts 19
05 Aug 2021 20:24


Will the A1200 v4 output aga to the same hdmi cable as RTG ?


Sean Sk

Posts 429
05 Aug 2021 23:34


Richard Statham wrote:

Will the A1200 v4 output aga to the same hdmi cable as RTG ?

According to the above post:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Örjan Olofsson wrote:
 
But, will it be possible to send the old pal and sound through the new ports?

Yes this is an option.

So I would say that would be a yes.


Vincent Brumback

Posts 2
06 Aug 2021 18:32


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  Our goal is of course very simple and modest.
  We want to revive Amiga, and conquer the world with Amiga.
 
  I look forward to that day!


Jd 64

Posts 21
07 Aug 2021 16:28


With the 1200 version, if both AGA and RTG are output over the same cable, does that mean a PLCC adapter is needed over Lisa (like the Indivision) to catch the native resolutions?




Roy Gillotti

Posts 478
08 Aug 2021 00:06


jd 64 wrote:

  With the 1200 version, if both AGA and RTG are output over the same cable, does that mean a PLCC adapter is needed over Lisa (like the Indivision) to catch the native resolutions?
   
   
 

  To me how I'm reading it I don't think Gunnar actually claimed DIGITAL-VIDEO Video and AGA will be coming out of the same port. He said it's possible for the Audio and that makes sense as it could be used as a seperate audio device. I suspect the typical operation of the V4 Accelerators will be similar to the V2, where Native graphics will still output out of the rear ports using the native chipsets and the Vampire will provide RTG graphics. I suspect the V4 will have the addition of audio as a separate audio device.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5474
08 Aug 2021 06:38


jd 64 wrote:

With the 1200 version, if both AGA and RTG are output over the same cable, does that mean a PLCC adapter is needed over Lisa (like the Indivision) to catch the native resolutions?

You can run the V4 Firebird in 2 modes.
a) The Amiga VIDEO Signal comes out on AMIGA mainboard and the Firebird acts as pure Accelerator + Video.
b) The Amiga VIDEO Signal comes out on AMIGA mainboard and the Firebird acts as Accelerator + Video + shows the Amiga video signal and audio also. This makes monitor attaching much easier.




Roy Gillotti

Posts 478
08 Aug 2021 06:43


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

jd 64 wrote:

  With the 1200 version, if both AGA and RTG are output over the same cable, does that mean a PLCC adapter is needed over Lisa (like the Indivision) to catch the native resolutions?
 

 
  You can run the V4 Firebird in 2 modes.
  a) The Amiga VIDEO Signal comes out on AMIGA mainboard and the Firebird acts as pure Accelerator + Video.
  b) The Amiga VIDEO Signal comes out on AMIGA mainboard and the Firebird acts as Accelerator + Video + shows the Amiga video signal and audio also. This makes monitor attaching much easier.
 
 

Is there any trade-offs to either mode, like lack of floppy, PCMCIA etc?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5474
08 Aug 2021 07:35


Roy Gillotti wrote:

Is there any trade-offs to either mode, like lack of floppy, PCMCIA etc?

The default mode the "accelerator" mode.
The plan/goal of the "clone" mode is to have no drawbacks.

Please understand that the card is not shipped yet.
This means we talk about stuff which is in development atm.



David Wright

Posts 368
08 Aug 2021 23:30


Just went to Best Buy today and they never heard of these cards.
Amazon doesn't list anything either.

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