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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6258
27 Feb 2021 21:21
| MAJOR NOTICE FROM TEAM APOLLO: SHIPMENT DELAYS FOR ALL VAMPIRE V2 CARDS Team Apollo acknowledges and apologies for significant delays in shipping of Vampire V2 accelerator cards to customers, some of which have been waiting for many months. We have invested significantly to increase production capacity over the past 6 months, and now have hundreds of units waiting to ship for many weeks. However, we have had a halt in Amiga Kickstart licences from our supplier due to legal issues currently being resolved in the US courts, and have not been able to ship for many weeks. We have been asked to wait until these issues are resolved, before further licences can be sent to us. We understand that this is of significant concern to those waiting for their Vampire V2 cards. Effective immediately Apollo Team are spending significant time and effort to provide an ApolloOS based ROM solution for the Vampire V2 cards, to enable us to ship our backlog of cards whilst our supplier’s legal issues are resolved. This project is being fast-tracked to ensure our customers get their cards as soon as possible. Expect timely progress reports from the Apollo Team on this and other topics in the coming weeks. Please note that this does not affect the Vampire V4 product, which do not require Amiga Kickstart licences, and continue to ship on schedule. The complete Apollo Team thanks you deeply for understanding the situation and we hope that we can count on your support in our effort to revive the Amiga into a bright future.
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Przemek Pe
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Posts 13/ 1
27 Feb 2021 22:19
| It must be an impressive sight. Hundreds of cards on the shelves in the warehouse. Can we enjoy some photos at least?
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Roy Gillotti
Posts 524
27 Feb 2021 22:32
| I'm a bit excited to see an ApolloOS solution for the V2 Vampires honestly.
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Kamelito Loveless
Posts 261
27 Feb 2021 23:01
| I don't get it, V2 are accelerators boards so why do you need a kickstart license as the owner of the Amiga who buy a V2 do already have one when he/she bought her Amiga. I'm surely missing something I guess?
There's software available on Aminet to dump the KS ROM to a file and it is perfectly legal to do so.
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Antony Coello
Posts 154
27 Feb 2021 23:52
| Gunnar: What about putting a notice in the packaging of the card saying a Kickstart 3.1 ROM is mandatory and *MUST* be present in the machine for legal reasons (even though the card bypasses it)? Would that cover you legally?
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Yvan (SKYNET)
Posts 36
28 Feb 2021 01:20
| Hello to the entire Apollo team, Thank you Gunnar for this message! I thank the whole team for the work you do.
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Gerardo G.
Posts 54
28 Feb 2021 15:34
| I will repeat till die... AROS is the only way to continue with, as Kickstart and full OS. All other options have led, lead and will ALWAYS lead to legal troubles.
Any solution? Investing 100% of your software development time in AROS-ApolloOS ONLY, and forget about who is guilty...
No more AmigaOS related battles that finally will damage your product.
What is really important is to achieve maximum compatibility with AmigaOS, no matter how long does it takes. Obtained benefit will ever be bigger.
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Vojin Vidanovic
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28 Feb 2021 15:48
| Henryk Richter wrote:
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None of this would have mattered if you weren't insisting on shipping an (unnecessarily) hacked-up AmigaOS Kickstart in the Vampire's flash. It would have been easy to just pick up the Kickstart image from the mainboard and provide the Vampire support modules from the proper location in address space. None of the problems with software based kickstart update modules (3.9,3.1.4) would have surfaced.
This SNAFU is entirely your fault and yours alone.
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Why such hush words? Surely additional resources are needed to run Vampire. What would be alternative? Software patching like OS 3.9 glue code? Build your own Remus Kickstart? I assume team wants to protect some of its own development, so its far better to have it in ROM. Software patching also usually ment kind of double reset and additional loss of RAM.
People always wanted out of box working solution, and as Igor explained many times, problem of Amiga world is that there is no clear, known, ownership of such patents.
3.1.4 is not a good example, as completely new KS.
FUBAR is Amiga situation :) Hope this resolves soon, and V2 wait lines and overkill second hand prices become things of past and legend.
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6258
28 Feb 2021 16:23
| Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
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It would have been easy to just pick up the Kickstart image from the mainboard
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The V500 cards fit much better with kick roms removed.
Therefore going for an mainboard rom is not always a solution.
Also for A1000 users that the Kick is inside the Vampire is a major advantage.
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Mark Sudlow
Posts 4
01 Mar 2021 22:05
| Thanks for the update. I will keep watching the forums - and good luck with ApolloOS.
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Vojin Vidanovic
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02 Mar 2021 13:07
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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The V500 cards fit much better with kick roms removed.
Therefore going for an mainboard rom is not always a solution.
Also for A1000 users that the Kick is inside the Vampire is a major advantage.
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Essentially Vamp ROM gives KS 3.1 plus fixes level to everyone. There are no similar solution, except hard way of building tested Remus AmigaROM and using new baked ROM chips.
AROS ROM might as always be the workaround. Hopefully, Igor will continue V2 cards production, so once matter is resolved, there will be opposite situation.
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Manuel Jesus
Posts 155
02 Mar 2021 13:47
| No more access to OS3X ROM until all the licensing gets sorted? Hold our beers....ApolloOS Rom shown here working within 24 hours of our announcement on building out ApolloOS Roms for the Vampire 2 range of accelerators. Shown here running on Vampire 2 500 and Cotter's Amiga 2000.
EXTERNAL LINK EXTERNAL LINK
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6258
02 Mar 2021 14:04
| Amiga 2000 with Vampire V500 using Apollo-Rom and running Apollo-OS.
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Smartroad 78
Posts 116
02 Mar 2021 16:31
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Amiga 2000 with Vampire V500 using Apollo-Rom and running Apollo-OS.
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Will it work with the V1200 :D Willing to test for you ;) hehe
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Kamelito Loveless
Posts 261
03 Mar 2021 10:08
| At least those lawsuits forced the community to improve AROS 68k so Apollo OS, this is maybe the most significant advancement in the Amiga history along all good 68k HW. Congrats.
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6258
03 Mar 2021 15:00
| I did some cleanup here.
Thanks guys
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Konstantin Petrovski
Posts 7
03 Mar 2021 15:49
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
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It would have been easy to just pick up the Kickstart image from the mainboard
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The V500 cards fit much better with kick roms removed.
Therefore going for an mainboard rom is not always a solution.
Also for A1000 users that the Kick is inside the Vampire is a major advantage.
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What about A1200 if I already have KS3.1 installed?
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Antony Coello
Posts 154
03 Mar 2021 20:37
| There are people who talk in a negative way about the Apollo team. However, you have to hand it to them when they work this hard to actually release an Amiga OS fork for their hardware to work better! Surely thats dedication? Keep up the good work team! Cant wait to try it out on my A500 v2+!
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Sean Sk
Posts 488
03 Mar 2021 20:59
| Just a question:
If all new V2 cards are going to be shipped with the AROS ROM and we order one of those, will we still be able to replace it with a legally purchased Kickstart ROM via a tool similar to something like VampireFlash?
With all due credit to the team, I think it's great that they are continuing to develop AROS, and I encourage it, as it gives users an expanded choice of alternatives. I would like to purchase another V2 very soon but, for myself personally, I'm not interested in using AROS as I wish to continue to use AmigaOS with a Kickstart ROM. Hence the reason why I'd like to know if we can replace he ROM ourselves.
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Willem Drijver
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 131
04 Mar 2021 15:44
| Hi Sean, Yes, you will still be able to Flash or Map your own ROM's.
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The team will post updates and news about our project here