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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4171
15 Oct 2019 07:27


Marian Nowicki wrote:

Of course nobody will render graphics in something like DOOM by cpu.

DOOM is pure CPU rendering


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4171
15 Oct 2019 09:17


Marian Nowicki wrote:

    Amiga 500 1,16 GHz (Sam460 based) reach 261 MB/Sec.
   
    EXTERNAL LINK   
 

Thank you for proving me right!
 
It does NOT reach this as COPY value.
COPY means READ+WRITE needed!

Your Ragemen score for WRITE is only 50% of the work needed -
to make this happen you also need to READ this amount of data  in parallel.

Your benchmarks score clearly show what I said before.



Marian Nowicki

Posts 17
15 Oct 2019 18:58


Ok. As I wrote nobody care about it. Everybody use 3D hardware.


Roy Gillotti

Posts 350
15 Oct 2019 19:34


Marian Nowicki wrote:

  Ok. As I wrote nobody care about it. Everybody use 3D hardware.
 

 
  On 68K Amiga? on Doom with a software only renderer that even on a PC would be software rendered?


Steve Ferrell

Posts 378
15 Oct 2019 20:08


Marian Nowicki wrote:

Ok. As I wrote nobody care about it. Everybody use 3D hardware.

 
Marian Nowicki wrote:

Of course nobody will render graphics in something like DOOM by cpu. Everybody will be using 3D hardware.

 
Serioulsy?  Do you even have a clue?  Everything in Doom was rendered by the CPU.  Doom was written before the advent of 3D GPU's therefore the CPU/FPU did ALL the heavy lifting.
 
The memory bandwidth/throughput numbers matter a great deal, not only for Doom-like games, but also for the upcoming 3D capabilities that will become part of the future Vampire cores where 3D texture mapping is an integral part of most 3D games.  Being able to move (read/write) large texture maps quickly is a must for any 3D game and takes a lot of bandwidth.
 
 


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1424
15 Oct 2019 21:57


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Marian Nowicki wrote:

  Of course nobody will render graphics in something like DOOM by cpu.
 

  DOOM is pure CPU rendering

True for oldie doom, maybe he Is thinking of reboot Aka doom4 :-)



Marian Nowicki

Posts 17
16 Oct 2019 17:43


I don't remember whe I first play DOOM on my PC with 3D hardware acceleration.
So many years passed. I think it was twenty years ago or something like that.

update:
I found this EXTERNAL LINK gldoom was released in april 1998.




Wawa T

Posts 617
16 Oct 2019 17:49


nevertheless the original was software rendering, that there was a gl engine someone wrote later on is beside the point.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1424
16 Oct 2019 19:33


Marian Nowicki wrote:

I don't remember whe I first play DOOM on my PC with 3D hardware acceleration.
  So many years passed. I think it was twenty years ago or something like that.

Doom was pure CPU, Quake was pure CPU FPU and Quake GL used h/w 3d



Marian Nowicki

Posts 17
17 Oct 2019 18:02


Doing everything by cpu was pc way of doing things before 3D hardware was good enough.
It is ancient tehcnology, and interesting only in historical 320x200 resolution.
For 320x200 3.2 MB/s is enough.
In last twenty years games for better resolutions was made with 3D hardware support. Even 2D. At least 2D is special case of 3D.




Wawa T

Posts 617
17 Oct 2019 18:21


@Marian Nowicki

arent you goning by the nick swinkamor on other forums? i could swear i recognize the kind of reasoning and argumentation. ;D


Nikos Tomatsidis

Posts 48
17 Oct 2019 19:40


Start Doom thread.
I don't understand why Doom and Quake this always come up. I guess it is for benchmarking.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1424
17 Oct 2019 20:55


nikos tomatsidis wrote:

        Start Doom thread.
        I don't understand why Doom and Quake this always come up. I guess it is for benchmarking.
       

       
        Its like the Hitler argument, but in 3D :)
       
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  Back 2 Topic: Vamp preorders and sales - dealers
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        Amedia puts Standalone in "new arrivals" while V2 is listed in "popular sales" (essentially, !! Pre-orders opened via mail laurent@amedia-computer.com !!)
        EXTERNAL LINK       
        Alinea lists V2 for 500 and 600
        https://www.amiga-shop.net/Amiga-Hardware/Klassische-Amiga-Hardware/Vampire-Turbokarte::852.html
       
        Amigastore.eu accepts interest in V4
        EXTERNAL LINK       
        And offers v2 500 and 600
     
        EXTERNAL LINK          EXTERNAL LINK       
     
        Best looking page is RELEC, Suiss
     
        EXTERNAL LINK       
        With separate news
        EXTERNAL LINK       
        Such gems as A2000 adapter for V2
        EXTERNAL LINK       
        Dedicated V2 page
        EXTERNAL LINK       
 
  --------------------------------
  Vamp in news
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    Amitropia has news on Vamp V4 launch
 
    EXTERNAL LINK 


Sean Sk

Posts 288
17 Oct 2019 23:37


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

        Amigastore.eu accepts interest in V4
        EXTERNAL LINK 

Why is amigastore.eu listing the Vampire 1200 as a V4? At this stage, I thought it was only going to be a V2, with a V4 much later.


Ian Parsons

Posts 194
17 Oct 2019 23:51


When the V4 was first announced it was as both an accelerator and standalone versions. The focus for V4 is currently on the standalone with the accelerators going on the back burner. The V2 accelerator range from Majsta is being extended to include an A1200 version. With all the different versions and announcements things may be a bit confused or out of date on some sites.


Henry Johnstone

Posts 1
19 Oct 2019 13:58


Hi! guys congrats on v4sa debut. When do you anticipate they will be available to us unfortunate guys who missed out through a dealer.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1424
19 Oct 2019 14:18


Henry Johnstone wrote:

  Hi! guys congrats on v4sa debut. When do you anticipate they will be available to us unfortunate guys who missed out through a dealer.
 

 
  Personal opinion:
 
  Next production run should go to dealers, depending on how many preorders they have set. They will offer their stock, according to interest (not actual preorder, since you dont really pay now, but should once asked) - so if you wish to hear question in next few months, contact Amedia, Vesalia ... one of your choice and hit the button.
 
  Seems Vamp will not so soon - or close to never be "commodity available" more then on demand, in shop next to you. Or even constantly online. v2 has some stock and availiability, but that could vanish in quick, if for some reason demand is high - I believe dealers have some leftovers, but no real pile of stock.
 
  Demand first, production, sales seems to be more of a survival strategy. Unless big sponsor is discovered.

As an example, first expected demand of customers at Amiga Show was met. Then only is feasible to go to next, likely bigger one and carefully observed of expressed interest, otherwise you would financially null previous success.


The Deep

Posts 4
19 Oct 2019 21:59


A question regarding resolution via DIGITAL-VIDEO when playing normal (not workbench) games.  What resolution options are available and is integer scaling an option? Thank you.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4171
19 Oct 2019 22:07


The Deep wrote:

  A question regarding resolution via DIGITAL-VIDEO when playing normal (not workbench) games.  What resolution options are available and is integer scaling an option? Thank you.
 

When you speak about games, do you mean old AMIGA PAL/NTSC AMIGA games or new RTG games?




The Deep

Posts 4
19 Oct 2019 22:14


I speak about classic 68k PAL games. Like Battle Squadron  :)

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